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I was going to write a comment about how I'm against euthanasia but after reading the article I'm not sure... I still believe that suicide should never be the

I was going to write a comment about how I'm against euthanasia but after reading the article I'm not sure... I still believe that suicide should never be the option and people that are considering it should really seek professional psychological help. But I'm just a hypocrite, because I tried to kill myself many times and after seeking professional help, I didn't really feel like they did anything except helped some time pass, which probably helped a bit... I am here writing a comment~ The fact is that if euthanasia was an option for me, I would be dead. But because it wasn't, I just spent some time in the psychiatric ward. Now my goal in life is financial freedom which should keep me busy for a decade or two, especially since I come from zero! (I'm ~3.75% done!) I'm not a medical professional, actually am not a professional of any kind, so if you're suffering seek proper help, don't let your demons win!

aussieshibe 4y ago
I feel like you missed some qualification here: > I still believe that suicide should never be the option From the rest of your comment, it sounds like you were facing some form of severe but ultimately temporary problem. People considering suicide are not necessarily in this same boat, and circumstances make all the difference. To believe that suicide should "never" be the option suggests that you're only considering a subset of people who are in a similar situation to the one you faced. There are plenty of situations which give a reasonable expectation of permeance, or cause such severe suffering that while possibly temporary may not be worth enduring. To me it comes down to the freedom to choose, for people of sound mind making a rational decision. I'm young, healthy, and generally happy, but there are absolutely situations which may affect me in the future over which I would prefer death, and I firmly believe I should have the freedom to make that choice if the time ever comes.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
> I still believe that suicide should never be the option and people that are considering it should really seek professional psychological help. It is weird to me that our society is so fixated on autonomy, self-sufficiency, bootstrapping, competition, and exploitation right up until someone has the desire to exit the whole thing. At that point they get just enough interest from others to keep them alive so they can continue feeding the sick system.
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  When you die, you include many people in the aftermath whether you want to or not. Doctors suffer from ethical qualms if they are forced by law to end the life of a depressed person.
  - smodo 4y ago
    This is why they aren't forced in any euthanasia cases I've heard of. Has this ever actually happened outside of totalitarian regimes? Genuine question.
    - mensetmanusman 4y ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/25/doctor-netherlands-asked-family-hold-down-euthanasia-patient https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/25/doctor-netherl... In the EU, yes. People changing their mind (crazy or otherwise) being forced to die by ‘polite’ society.
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    Status quo bias. You affect people while you're living too.
  - sdflhasjd 4y ago
    "Keep dancing, otherwise you'll let everyone down" is not an exactly an encouragement.
  - tester89 4y ago
    > When you die, you include many people in the aftermath whether you want to or not. I mean one can similarly cause them pain by just leaving them. There’s no obligation to stay in relationships with people because the counterfactual would be painful, I don’t see why there should be an obligation to live simply because it would be painful for others.
    - mensetmanusman 4y ago

aussieshibe 4y ago

I feel like you missed some qualification here: > I still believe that suicide should never be the option From the rest of your comment, it sounds like you were facing some form of severe but ultimately temporary problem. People considering suicide are not necessarily in this same boat, and circumstances make all the difference. To believe that suicide should "never" be the option suggests that you're only considering a subset of people who are in a similar situation to the one you faced. There are plenty of situations which give a reasonable expectation of permeance, or cause such severe suffering that while possibly temporary may not be worth enduring. To me it comes down to the freedom to choose, for people of sound mind making a rational decision. I'm young, healthy, and generally happy, but there are absolutely situations which may affect me in the future over which I would prefer death, and I firmly believe I should have the freedom to make that choice if the time ever comes.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago

> I still believe that suicide should never be the option and people that are considering it should really seek professional psychological help. It is weird to me that our society is so fixated on autonomy, self-sufficiency, bootstrapping, competition, and exploitation right up until someone has the desire to exit the whole thing. At that point they get just enough interest from others to keep them alive so they can continue feeding the sick system.

mensetmanusman 4y ago
When you die, you include many people in the aftermath whether you want to or not. Doctors suffer from ethical qualms if they are forced by law to end the life of a depressed person.
- smodo 4y ago
  This is why they aren't forced in any euthanasia cases I've heard of. Has this ever actually happened outside of totalitarian regimes? Genuine question.
  - mensetmanusman 4y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/25/doctor-netherlands-asked-family-hold-down-euthanasia-patient https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/25/doctor-netherl... In the EU, yes. People changing their mind (crazy or otherwise) being forced to die by ‘polite’ society.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  Status quo bias. You affect people while you're living too.
- sdflhasjd 4y ago
  "Keep dancing, otherwise you'll let everyone down" is not an exactly an encouragement.
- tester89 4y ago
  > When you die, you include many people in the aftermath whether you want to or not. I mean one can similarly cause them pain by just leaving them. There’s no obligation to stay in relationships with people because the counterfactual would be painful, I don’t see why there should be an obligation to live simply because it would be painful for others.
  - mensetmanusman 4y ago