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A small thought experiment: - Book sales in 2021 were about _9_ billion dollars. [0] - Wage theft in the US is estimated at _50_ billion dollars. [1] Can you
by DoingIsLearning 4y ago
A small thought experiment:
- Book sales in 2021 were about _9_ billion dollars. [0]
- Wage theft in the US is estimated at _50_ billion dollars. [1]
Can you imagine if the resources of the justice and labour departments would prioritize citizen wage over publishers' revenue?
Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals completely outside US jurisdiction?
[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/197710/annual-book-store-sales-in-the-us-since-1992/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/197710/annual-book-store...
[1] https://www.epi.org/press/wage-theft-costs-american-workers-50-billion/ https://www.epi.org/press/wage-theft-costs-american-workers-...
- lc9er 4y agoI have family that works for DOL's Wage & Hour division. The amount of wage theft is _staggering_. They are chronically understaffed and overworked. Plus, every time a Republican administration comes into power, their enforcement power gets severely limited, except in the most egregious cases.
- theandrewbailey 4y agoWhen people get paid more, the government gets more tax revenue. Smart government would double this division's resources, but governments are anything but smart.
- comprev 4y agoGovernment may get more revenue but the individual politicians get influenced through financial means provided by the companies stealing the wages. Corporates want their pound of flesh for lobbying expenses.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoOne party wants a disenfranchised base that will keep voting for them. If they are made whole by the government they might start having wrongthink.
- woodruffw 4y agoThis would run counter to the "starve the beast"[1] strategy that's formed the core of conservative governance in the US for the last 50 years. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast
- akira2501 4y agoIf you believe in small government then you're going to enact policies that accomplish this. Re-branding this as "starve the beast" seems nothing more than a propaganda exercise. Further.. almost every business employing people in a State must be setup with that State's authorities. Is there some reason States can't handle wage theft? Is this naturally a federal problem, or even best solved at that level?
- munk-a 4y agoI strongly disagree. If you're in favor of small government and in control you would, absent political concerns, simply shutter government organizations you don't believe in. "Starve the beast" is an entirely different tactic where you don't want to be seen as destroying popular services and so, instead, undermine their ability to function efficiently until they become unpopular enough to cancel. It comes with an understanding that the majority of the political will in a country appreciates these programs when they're well funded and that their cancelation is only politically actionable when they've been starved to ineffectualness. "Starve the beast" is also really only a realistic strategy in a corrupt duopoly like America has since the defunding of popular programs is generally political suicide - unless you can reduce everything to "Us vs. Them"ism.
- shakezula 4y agoIt's a term that was _coined by_ fiscal conservatives, it's not a "rebranding as a propaganda exercise".
- woodruffw 4y agoThat's not my branding, or a re-branding at all: the first known use of the term was by a Libertarian party member. It's the term of art for this style of financial governance, one that is used somewhat proudly by its disciples. It's a problem for both state governments and the Federal government: wage theft might span from state tax fraud, federal tax fraud, unemployment insurance fraud, federal contract falsification, etc. Making it into a states' issue is overly simplistic.
- agumonkey 4y agonon naive suggestion: new nation scale govt structure should be discussed and tried. hybrid patterns, seasonal structures, whatever There are lots of low hanging fruits, which is good because it means space for progress but govt are extremely good at diluting any improvement efforts. Yet most people want higher efficiency / sanity governments.
- ironfootnz 4y agoIn theory yes, but if you don't pay and use the money for Lobby, you get power, which equals to more rights. That's the foundation of a democracy or let's say society from the times of Pharaos.
- mxschumacher 4y agonot quite - you have to think like a government. If people get paid less, the people who finance a given company get to keep more money, it might also be cheaper for consumers. The government has its hands in every stage of every economic interaction. What's "lost" in one area is made up in another. Even a drug dealer has to go to the gas station for example.
- vkou 4y agoThe purpose of cutting that division is not optimizing the government's revenue, it's optimizing the revenue of their campaign backers. This isn't a policy that was adopted just because, it's the reason the party gets money (As opposed to stuff like the culture war, which is just the excuse that drives the base out to vote).
- fbdab103 4y agoJust in the past year, there was a pretty significant fight about funding the IRS. Despite additional IRS funding yielding significant returns.
- eli_gottlieb 4y agoThat depends whether the government works for the people paying taxes or the people stealing wages.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago> completely outside US jurisdiction > The pair was arrested on November 3, 2022 in Cordoba, Argentina at the request of the United States. The government of Argentina disagrees.
- DoingIsLearning 4y agoExtradition agreements is not the same as US law being applied in Argentinian soil.
- jiveturkey 4y agoSleep deprivation of just 10 min per night across the entire USA adult population of 330M is 3.3Bn minutes, is over 6 thousand YEARS of sleep related fatigue, etc. PER NIGHT Can you imagine if we attacked that problem in earnest? My point, obviously, is that 50 billion is nothing on a per capita basis. This arrest is very high leverage, and very effective use of resources.
- DoingIsLearning 4y agoYour argument that this problem is too distributed is valid but a little out of touch. Wage theft disproprionately affects lower income people. There is about 39 million americans below poverty line. That's about 1200 dollars a year. I am sure it would actually make a hell of a big difference to many people below the poverty line.
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- ckw 4y agoSo copyright is incentivizing only $9 billion of spending on books… This seems suboptimal. You’d think it’d be possible to design a different government scheme that yielded say, twice as much book publishing, but with no restriction on copying. Same thing for music.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 4y ago"Do not take advantage of a hired worker who is poor and needy, whether that worker is an Israelite or is a foreigner residing in one of your towns. Pay them their wages each day before sunset, because they are poor and are counting on it. Otherwise they may cry to the Lord against you, and you will be guilty of sin." - Deuteronomy 24:1415 (TNIV)
- throwawaydad12 4y agoCan you imagine if the resources allocated to "social justice" were allocated towards the poor and others in dire need?
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- _vbnz 4y agoBut piracy affects the capitalists that run the US establishment, whereas wage theft benefits them.
- christophilus 4y agoI agree with you, but it's always easier to go after a centralized target who is doing a thing at scale. Is there a wage-thief who's doing it at scale?
- glogla 4y agoI'm sure e.g. Walmart would have few billions in their name.
- Arkhaine_kupo 4y ago> Is there a wage-thief who's doing it at scale? FAANG got caught having a wage cartel where poaching affected possible salaries between workers. They got a measly 50 million dollar fine. Wage theft pays off in america, and Amazon and Apple being trillion dollar companies proves it.
- jrnichols 4y agoMy industry got it pretty bad too. California passed Prop 11, which wiped out a wage theft lawsuit, and also ensured that we do not get to clock out for meal breaks. https://missionlocal.org/2018/10/prop-11-ambulance-company-has-spent-nearly-22-million-on-state-ballot-measure-that-could-shield-it-from-lawsuits/ https://missionlocal.org/2018/10/prop-11-ambulance-company-h...
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> FAANG got caught having a wage cartel I remember Apple and Google did. Was there a broader conspiracy? > got a measly 50 million dollar fine This $415mm settlement [1]? Its suit covered ”almost 65,000 employees who worked for the seven companies between 2005 and 2010.” The fine was thus about $6,400 per covered employee (about $8k in 2022 dollars). The alleged cut to “potential employee compensation [was] 10 percent to 15 percent” [2]. That didn’t pertain to every single employee, so the actual cost per violation is higher. That doesn’t seem egregiously low. [1] https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/apple-google-others-settle-anti-poaching-lawsuit-for-415-million/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/apple-google-others-... [2] https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/lawsuit-accuses-apple-others-of-fixing-worker-pay/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/lawsuit-accuses-appl...
- andsoitis 4y ago> Wage theft in the US is estimated at _50_ billion dollars. [1] That report is from 2014. What does it stand at today (whether in absolute or relative terms)?
- phpisthebest 4y ago>>Would you rather have funds allocated towards social justice or have them spent on intimidating foreign nationals I would rather the justice department, and labor dept choose their targets for non-political reasons, neither for "social justice" nor corporate protectionism
- rfrey 4y agoIt must be one of the triumphs of capitalism that forcing employers to pay their workers what they're owed is considered a partisan action.
- Clent 4y agoWhat do you mean by 'social justice' and the implication it is a bad thing? I postulate, labor justice is social justice.
- phpisthebest 4y ago"Social Justice" is a loaded political term generally aligned with Left Authoritarianism and often devoid of actual justice
- dredmorbius 4y agoAnd who was it who loaded that term? The social justice advocates, or their opponents?
- phpisthebest 4y agoBoth. Just like many other political labels, they start out as one thing then more and more people start using the labels and soon their orginal meaning is lost and have become something else This is caused by both advocates and opponents of the various causes, positions, and world views
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- zb1plus 4y agoCouldn't agree more. It is disgraceful how our tax dollars are used to prop up failed business models and oppress the little guy. Just another example of how supposedly democratic states only serve the interests of the elite.
- Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago>It is disgraceful how our tax dollars are used to prop up failed business models and oppress the little guy U.S. Government Spending, FY 2022 Top 10 Spending by Category $ 1.22 T Social Security $ 914 B Health $ 865 B Income Security $ 767 B National Defense $ 755 B Medicare $ 677 B Education, Training, Employment, and Social Services How do you explain this data? Source:https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/ https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder...
- denvrede 4y agoGenuine question: I always hear about the gigantic military spending in the U.S. I would've expected it to be on top of this list. It can't be only 7. no?
- bombcar 4y agoUS military spending is HUGE compared to other countries budgets. It is not that big compared to the US budget - in WW2 we spent about 45% of GDP on military stuff - if that was done today we'd have a budget of about ten trillion dollars. Also much of what is classified as military spending could probably be moved to other categories - the VA, for example.
- kranke155 4y agoWow. Imagine the Manhattan Projects you could make with ten trillion!
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- dimva 4y agoWage theft is committed by millions of employers, this "theft" was committed by just a few people. While I agree with your general sentiment, the resources required to prosecute wage theft would be vastly greater than to prosecute this case. That being said, they should definitely prosecute wage theft much more than they are now. Maybe the fear of jail time if wage theft were actually prosecuted a few times would deter most other potential wage thieves.
- retconn 4y agoInstead, how much would it cost for the IRS to check everyone's returns reconciliation against employer statements?
- burkaman 4y agoI don't really agree, prosecuting all wage theft would be an enormous effort, but this story is not about prosecuting all book "theft", just one case. The argument is that the resources spent on this one case would have been better spent on investigating and prosecuting wage theft, not solving the entire issue. Also, wage theft seems to be a much simpler thing to prosecute. You don't have to investigate the owners of anonymous websites or track down any foreign nationals, just show up to a job site, see how long people are working, see how much they're paid, and prosecute if the numbers don't match. Obviously I'm exaggerating, but it's a much more tangible, sort of "old-fashioned" crime, one I would imagine the FBI is pretty good at solving.
- 1letterunixname 4y agoWill never happen just like how undocumented migrants are exploited by meat processing plants while being de-facto shielded from deportation... because corporations and money talk.
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago> Wage theft is committed by millions of employers... Yes, and of those there are a handful doing it to millions of employees. Wage theft is not a few night shifts rounded off at SMEs. Plenty of traded companies doing it, no reason why you cannot target low numbers of big fish.
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- leephillips 4y agoWhat these criminals were doing is wage theft. As someone who earns money from books, I would like to personally thank the US Justice Department for their excellent work in shutting down this operation, that was stealing my wages.
- neverlearns 4y agohey Lee, I just checked out your website. > 17/11/2022 9:49 Minimizing the Elastic Energy of Growing Leaves by Conformal Mapping: I learned to love conformal mapping while studying fluid dynamics. This is a fascinating application. The paper you linked is a closed-access paper. https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.129.218101 https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.129.218... Did you use sci-hub to access it or did you actually pay the AIP $35 to read it? If you used sci-hub, I consider you to be a hypocrite. Maybe I should personally invite all of the people who read your books to reconsider your opinion on the freedom of information when considering buying any of your books.
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