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In middle school, my first year out of Montessori, I was shocked at how little other kids cared about learning. ... I kept tabs more or less my classmates tha

In middle school, my first year out of Montessori, I was shocked at how little other kids cared about learning. ... I kept tabs more or less my classmates that came out of the Montessori, and I think they overall overperformed the non Montessori people in middle school and high school. Harder to gauge adulthood success. Isn't this just as likely to be a selection effect? The kids who go to Montessori schools are not selected from the population at random. But public school kids are.

silisili 4y ago
Statistically, there would be some 'Montessori' level(whatever that means) kids in the random student population. It's just they'd been beaten down by the public education system long before OP arrived.
huevosabio 4y ago
That's totally plausible, I would just add that I attended private middle and high school. But still I can see that parents that place kids in Montessori schools are a different population than those that place them in private schools.
Spooky23 4y ago
This topic is really controversial and people usually have an axe to grind. I agree to an extent. As a former parent and former board president of a small catholic PK-8 school, I'd say that parental involvement is the key differentiator, uniforms/behavior, faith teaching and teacher motivation are other big drivers there. The Montessori methods are a different path that works well as well. End of the day, we're all clever apes and will learn in a supportive environment. Our kids in that school had access to fewer educational/enrichment resources, but tended to outperform their peers when they transitioned (mostly) to public high school. about 40% of the kids were scholarship funded, and those scholarships did not require religious affiliation. These were kids who would have significantly worse outcomes in public school, but they had parents committed to their success. There are several key disadvantages. - Parental involvement can transition into meddling. - A kid who needs an IEP and services may not get it because the school doesn't offer the services and won't tell the family to leave OR the parent is in denial and the school isn't prepared to deal with it. - Kids may be boxed out of sports as suburban schools usually have (corrupt) pay-to-play feeder programs. As a parent, my goal is to get my child the best education that I have the ability to provide. Montessori and other private schools are a great way to do that. However, I don't think taxpayers should be paying for those options beyond core services (school nurses, etc)

silisili 4y ago

Statistically, there would be some 'Montessori' level(whatever that means) kids in the random student population. It's just they'd been beaten down by the public education system long before OP arrived.

huevosabio 4y ago

That's totally plausible, I would just add that I attended private middle and high school. But still I can see that parents that place kids in Montessori schools are a different population than those that place them in private schools.

Spooky23 4y ago

This topic is really controversial and people usually have an axe to grind. I agree to an extent. As a former parent and former board president of a small catholic PK-8 school, I'd say that parental involvement is the key differentiator, uniforms/behavior, faith teaching and teacher motivation are other big drivers there. The Montessori methods are a different path that works well as well. End of the day, we're all clever apes and will learn in a supportive environment. Our kids in that school had access to fewer educational/enrichment resources, but tended to outperform their peers when they transitioned (mostly) to public high school. about 40% of the kids were scholarship funded, and those scholarships did not require religious affiliation. These were kids who would have significantly worse outcomes in public school, but they had parents committed to their success. There are several key disadvantages. - Parental involvement can transition into meddling. - A kid who needs an IEP and services may not get it because the school doesn't offer the services and won't tell the family to leave OR the parent is in denial and the school isn't prepared to deal with it. - Kids may be boxed out of sports as suburban schools usually have (corrupt) pay-to-play feeder programs. As a parent, my goal is to get my child the best education that I have the ability to provide. Montessori and other private schools are a great way to do that. However, I don't think taxpayers should be paying for those options beyond core services (school nurses, etc)