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This is WSL 2 1.0.0. Microsoft is the worst company on the planet when it comes to version numbers. Don't even get me started about "Xbox One".

f0e4c2f7 4y ago
Hmm I was confused about this as well. Thank you for the clarification here. Perhaps we could get a title update to something like "WSL 2 out of beta". As an aside, I love WSL. Some of my favorite software out of Microsoft in years.
andix 4y ago
Seriously? Will there also be WSL 1 2.0 then? But WSL 1 was never called 1, it was just WSL in contrast to WSL 2.
- WorldMaker 4y ago
  I think most people at this point call WSL1 "WSL1". That does seem to be the lasting "names" of these: WSL1 and WSL2. Arguably they aren't version numbers at all but naming in the way people name Word docs that start off as clones and slowly diverge. Perhaps someday we'll get WSL.Final and WSL.Final.Final to truly close the loop on the Word doc style naming scheme.
FeistySkink 4y ago
I think that honor goes to USB-IF.
brookst 4y ago
USB 3.2 gen 2x2 would like a word. I had to Google it to make fun of it, and I’m still not sure if it’s “(gen 2) x2” or “gen (2x2)”.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  USB has learned their lesson and finally have a sensible naming strategy going forward. When is Microsoft going to learn their lesson? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/usb-if-says-goodbye-to-confusing-superspeed-usb-branding/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/usb-if-says-goodbye-...
  - black3r 4y ago
    that didn't stop them from announcing new speeds (80 and 120Gbps) as USB4 2.0 though...
  - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
    They have not. There are still optional components of USB4. I’m not sure how or why this happens. USB, HDMI, BLE, all have optional components and it’s insanely frustrating. It’s got to be some new feature of designed-by-committee groups where it’s easy to get a feature only 1/2 the group wants.
    - throwup 4y ago
      Because, you see, if power transmission is optional, we can manufacture a cable without it for 37¢ instead of 39¢. Think of the savings! ... yes, I hate it too :(
      - anderspitman 4y ago
        By Grabthar's Hammer
      - brookst 4y ago
        For longer cables the cost is significant. USB-C can carry 5A, so you need 18 gauge wire for ~12 feet. Ideally you'd do the 8 power/ground pins at 18awg and the 16 data pins at 28awg. But that's a substantially more expensive cable than just 24 wires of 28awg. And as a user it's annoying to have an excessively stiff cable, so it's suboptimal to have every cable support 240W charging, but for cost and convenience. It's a mess. We all said we wanted one cable that does everything, and I still feel that way, but here I am buying different cables for laptop charging versus iPad charging because I want a light/thin cable for the iPad. Sigh.
- delusional 4y ago
  Weren't all those names deprecated in favor of just calling it USB 10/20/40 Gbps in market facing use? I Think the whole "Gen X" makes sense for technical documentation, but it's clearly too specific for consumer communication.
- pxc 4y ago
  You can still use WSL 1 with this version, so it's technically WSL 1&2 1.0.0, which feels more on par with the USB thing to me.
the_snooze 4y ago
glares at video card numbering schemes
anonymfus 4y ago
Didn't Apple call a specific non-first version of iPad just iPad? Like it was, iPad, iPad 2, iPad again. Or am I misremembering? Anyway nobody is really worse than USB-IF who recently released USB4 2.0 specification.
- rxyz 4y ago
  yup, you remember it right. It looked like they wanted to have an iPhone-like numbering scheme with iPad 2 and then.. changed their minds I guess?
- pram 4y ago
  IIRC it was literally called “the new iPad” which is nonsensical a decade later.
- Someone1234 4y ago
  When the iPad 3 released Apple called it "The new iPad" everywhere. So you had: - iPad ("iPad") - iPad 2 ("iPad 2" or "iPad 2nd generation") - iPad 3 ("The new iPad") - iPad 4 ("iPad with Retina display") So in late 2012 you had people shopping, and having to pick between "The New iPad" (last year's model), "iPad with Retina display" (this year's model), and the iPad Air. Apple stopped after that, going with iPad [type] [number] naming.
- themadturk 4y ago
  I always try to just skip to the (year) identification scheme, which is potentially less confusing (unless I'm actually looking at my specific piece of hardware), unless they release multiple iterations each year, which it seems they've done a couple times.
toast0 4y ago
They're just trying to beat Sun.
e12e 4y ago
> This is WSL 2 1.0.0. > Microsoft is the worst company on the planet when it comes to version numbers. I take some bleak comfort in the fact that this subsystem appears to be built on New Technology Subsystem Technology...
- danuker 4y ago
  Department of Redundancy Department
pjerem 4y ago
What about "Xbox One Series" ?
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
What should the version have been?
meinersbur 4y ago
It's not that unusual, especially in games. For instance,"The Witcher 2" version 3.3 [1], "Dota 2" version 7.32c [2], but also "Struts 2", version 6.0.3 [3]. Some others may be more considered a product name than a version number, e.g. "GNOME 2", "Winamp 5". [1] https://en.cdprojektred.com/download/patch-3-3/ https://en.cdprojektred.com/download/patch-3-3/ [2] https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.32c https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.32c [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WW/Version+Notes+6.0.3 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WW/Version+Notes...
- npteljes 4y ago
  I'd agree, but they are calling it "WSL 1.0.0", which is reflected in the release name for example ("Microsoft.WSL_1.0.0.0_x64_ARM64.msixbundle"). Which is natural of course because they are already calling the WSL2 repo simply "WSL".

f0e4c2f7 4y ago

Hmm I was confused about this as well. Thank you for the clarification here. Perhaps we could get a title update to something like "WSL 2 out of beta". As an aside, I love WSL. Some of my favorite software out of Microsoft in years.

andix 4y ago

Seriously? Will there also be WSL 1 2.0 then? But WSL 1 was never called 1, it was just WSL in contrast to WSL 2.

WorldMaker 4y ago
I think most people at this point call WSL1 "WSL1". That does seem to be the lasting "names" of these: WSL1 and WSL2. Arguably they aren't version numbers at all but naming in the way people name Word docs that start off as clones and slowly diverge. Perhaps someday we'll get WSL.Final and WSL.Final.Final to truly close the loop on the Word doc style naming scheme.

FeistySkink 4y ago

I think that honor goes to USB-IF.

brookst 4y ago

USB 3.2 gen 2x2 would like a word. I had to Google it to make fun of it, and I’m still not sure if it’s “(gen 2) x2” or “gen (2x2)”.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
USB has learned their lesson and finally have a sensible naming strategy going forward. When is Microsoft going to learn their lesson? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/usb-if-says-goodbye-to-confusing-superspeed-usb-branding/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/usb-if-says-goodbye-...
- black3r 4y ago
  that didn't stop them from announcing new speeds (80 and 120Gbps) as USB4 2.0 though...
- SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
  They have not. There are still optional components of USB4. I’m not sure how or why this happens. USB, HDMI, BLE, all have optional components and it’s insanely frustrating. It’s got to be some new feature of designed-by-committee groups where it’s easy to get a feature only 1/2 the group wants.
  - throwup 4y ago
    Because, you see, if power transmission is optional, we can manufacture a cable without it for 37¢ instead of 39¢. Think of the savings! ... yes, I hate it too :(
    - anderspitman 4y ago
      By Grabthar's Hammer
    - brookst 4y ago
      For longer cables the cost is significant. USB-C can carry 5A, so you need 18 gauge wire for ~12 feet. Ideally you'd do the 8 power/ground pins at 18awg and the 16 data pins at 28awg. But that's a substantially more expensive cable than just 24 wires of 28awg. And as a user it's annoying to have an excessively stiff cable, so it's suboptimal to have every cable support 240W charging, but for cost and convenience. It's a mess. We all said we wanted one cable that does everything, and I still feel that way, but here I am buying different cables for laptop charging versus iPad charging because I want a light/thin cable for the iPad. Sigh.
delusional 4y ago
Weren't all those names deprecated in favor of just calling it USB 10/20/40 Gbps in market facing use? I Think the whole "Gen X" makes sense for technical documentation, but it's clearly too specific for consumer communication.
pxc 4y ago
You can still use WSL 1 with this version, so it's technically WSL 1&2 1.0.0, which feels more on par with the USB thing to me.

the_snooze 4y ago

glares at video card numbering schemes

anonymfus 4y ago

Didn't Apple call a specific non-first version of iPad just iPad? Like it was, iPad, iPad 2, iPad again. Or am I misremembering? Anyway nobody is really worse than USB-IF who recently released USB4 2.0 specification.

rxyz 4y ago
yup, you remember it right. It looked like they wanted to have an iPhone-like numbering scheme with iPad 2 and then.. changed their minds I guess?
pram 4y ago
IIRC it was literally called “the new iPad” which is nonsensical a decade later.
Someone1234 4y ago
When the iPad 3 released Apple called it "The new iPad" everywhere. So you had: - iPad ("iPad") - iPad 2 ("iPad 2" or "iPad 2nd generation") - iPad 3 ("The new iPad") - iPad 4 ("iPad with Retina display") So in late 2012 you had people shopping, and having to pick between "The New iPad" (last year's model), "iPad with Retina display" (this year's model), and the iPad Air. Apple stopped after that, going with iPad [type] [number] naming.
themadturk 4y ago
I always try to just skip to the (year) identification scheme, which is potentially less confusing (unless I'm actually looking at my specific piece of hardware), unless they release multiple iterations each year, which it seems they've done a couple times.

toast0 4y ago

They're just trying to beat Sun.

e12e 4y ago

> This is WSL 2 1.0.0. > Microsoft is the worst company on the planet when it comes to version numbers. I take some bleak comfort in the fact that this subsystem appears to be built on New Technology Subsystem Technology...

danuker 4y ago
Department of Redundancy Department

pjerem 4y ago

What about "Xbox One Series" ?

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

What should the version have been?

meinersbur 4y ago

It's not that unusual, especially in games. For instance,"The Witcher 2" version 3.3 [1], "Dota 2" version 7.32c [2], but also "Struts 2", version 6.0.3 [3]. Some others may be more considered a product name than a version number, e.g. "GNOME 2", "Winamp 5". [1] https://en.cdprojektred.com/download/patch-3-3/ https://en.cdprojektred.com/download/patch-3-3/ [2] https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.32c https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.32c [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WW/Version+Notes+6.0.3 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WW/Version+Notes...

npteljes 4y ago
I'd agree, but they are calling it "WSL 1.0.0", which is reflected in the release name for example ("Microsoft.WSL_1.0.0.0_x64_ARM64.msixbundle"). Which is natural of course because they are already calling the WSL2 repo simply "WSL".