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You don't have to look any further than the content curation for the US vs China. They feed US users absolute nonsense while restricting that for their own peo

by robswc 4y ago

You don't have to look any further than the content curation for the US vs China. They feed US users absolute nonsense while restricting that for their own people. It absolutely is a weapon that people need to take seriously.

newbYhrly 4y ago
I see a free market of ideas at work. Why is the US government as-is a rational actor to get behind? More of its citizens in prison than China, it’s citizens vote against supporting each other through universal healthcare, and education, it’s opioid peddling execs, scandal plagued business leadership makes Mad Men look like Leave it to Beaver. China did not set the US on this path. It’s all homegrown. Let such exceptional and gritty people be. Get some popcorn. Front row seats to the end of society are waiting.
- trentgreene 4y ago
  Calling TikTok a market of free ideas is almost like an oxymoron when it’s beholden to a party that jails dissenting journalists.
  - newbYhrly 4y ago
    I was referring to users choice of TikTok, not the “content of” TikTok. Why should the US government decide which apps free people download? Free people ostensibly have no obligation to government security concerns. Assange, Snowden, Swartz. Migrant children in cages. Along with the list in my original post, and recent history I was alive for that includes numerous other examples; US citizens and its politicians are bullies who ignore their own bullying. Not saying “China good.” I’m saying “US bad.”
    - andrei_says_ 4y ago
      How is “someone else bad” an argument to not “make thing less bad”? Isn’t this the very definition of whataboutism? What would be a constructive approach to improving the situation?
      - newbYhrly 4y ago
        Because they aren’t coupled in a meaningful way. Whataboutism is minimizing bad thing by highlighting other bad thing. “Look bad thing parity!” Shooting someone because your friend shot someone else does not make what you did ok. A constructive approach would be to build schools, hospitals, and other local social solutions to community vision rather than allowing outside agents to gambling for themselves with the outputs of our agency. We flip out over the potential for waste in too many hospitals while binning laptops and phones every couple years to save Apple. There will be literal waste to any human endeavor. What character do we want it to have? Empowering a party drug addicted rocket man filling us full of high minded bullshit about a future no one can predict or helping people exist how humans tend to exist; building communal ties that don’t expropriate wealth and agency for some distant power hording edgelord.
        andrei_says_ 4y ago
        Thank you for clarifying, this distinction is useful to me. Do you see the possibility for a constructive approach which could address the situation with TikTok? And, by extension, the toxic destructive influence of social media addiction, especially for youth?
        newbYhrly 4y ago
        Who is to say it is destructive and toxic? Elders who lack emotional context and for whom it quickly makes anxious? The same was said by elders when DND and comic books came about. The same was said about the internet itself. About secularism and relinquishing maintenance of past spoken traditions of all flavors. For an increasingly secular society to say “hey wait I meant we bin religion but not my profiteering!” is the height of hypocrisy. The only past traditions of value are disabusing people their meatbag is more sacrosanct than another, and fighting like hell to improve equality of condition for all meatbags even if that costs some their figurative value whether measured in conviction to scripture or fiat currency. That’s my two cents anyway. Relativity means reality is relative, and thus so too are individual motives given an individuals time spent close to specific information.
  - Yeahsureok 4y ago
    > jails dissenting journalists Like Julian Assange who will be locked up for life with no fair trail due to publishing raw war footage? Or is that different?
RomanPushkin 4y ago
I'm from US, and I don't use TikTok, but time to time I can watch Instagram and Youtube shorts. I don't know how the absolute nonsense coming from these two US-based platforms is too much different from TikTok. I can rephrase it with your own words: US "feed US users absolute nonsense".
- robswc 4y ago
  Sure. Not at all happy about that either though. If China also fed its users nonsense, it wouldn't be a very useful weapon.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  Long, long time go, I remember seeing a documentary on Michael Jackson and how he either completely removed ( or severely restricted ; I can't remember ) TV access for his children. As a child back then, I thought that was crazy. Looking back, that crazy bastard was onto something. TV fed us a lot of garbage. Social media is worse, because it gets us better and better garbage. It is almost like we keep getting an algorithmically improved media equivalent of a big mac each time we bring it up. You are, naturally, right about that there is no distinction between TikTok, FB and others. It is all crap. Ideally, it would all just disappear. Now, that is the hard part.
andrei_says_ 4y ago
What is the source of this claim? Asking because I recently saw someone in a podcast say that they made this claim up and then the media picked it up and repeated it.
- theknocker 4y ago
im3w1l 4y ago
Isn't that just following the norms of US vs norms of China? What would you rather have them show in the US, communism propaganda?
guilhas 4y ago
Nonesense created by US users themselves Which a lot of people claims to be a good thing, how the algorithm gives a chance to new people instead of just popular
angio 4y ago
That's because the US has free speech while in China there are laws about what can be posted online. If you don't want to see that content on TikTok, ask your politicians to pass censorship laws to ban it. Doesn't sound that good now does it?
aaron695 4y ago
powerapple 4y ago
I have yet to see anything is not a threat to US national security. I am sure the most powerful country is the most paranoid one, I thought it was only for the weapon industry to sell more to the US public, now I am not sure.
clippablematt 4y ago
This is absolute nonsense conspiracy I keep seeing repeated. TikTok/Douyin is just as cringe over here in China too.
daniel-cussen 4y ago

by robswc 4y ago

newbYhrly 4y ago

I see a free market of ideas at work. Why is the US government as-is a rational actor to get behind? More of its citizens in prison than China, it’s citizens vote against supporting each other through universal healthcare, and education, it’s opioid peddling execs, scandal plagued business leadership makes Mad Men look like Leave it to Beaver. China did not set the US on this path. It’s all homegrown. Let such exceptional and gritty people be. Get some popcorn. Front row seats to the end of society are waiting.

trentgreene 4y ago
Calling TikTok a market of free ideas is almost like an oxymoron when it’s beholden to a party that jails dissenting journalists.
- newbYhrly 4y ago
  I was referring to users choice of TikTok, not the “content of” TikTok. Why should the US government decide which apps free people download? Free people ostensibly have no obligation to government security concerns. Assange, Snowden, Swartz. Migrant children in cages. Along with the list in my original post, and recent history I was alive for that includes numerous other examples; US citizens and its politicians are bullies who ignore their own bullying. Not saying “China good.” I’m saying “US bad.”
  - andrei_says_ 4y ago
    How is “someone else bad” an argument to not “make thing less bad”? Isn’t this the very definition of whataboutism? What would be a constructive approach to improving the situation?
    - newbYhrly 4y ago
      Because they aren’t coupled in a meaningful way. Whataboutism is minimizing bad thing by highlighting other bad thing. “Look bad thing parity!” Shooting someone because your friend shot someone else does not make what you did ok. A constructive approach would be to build schools, hospitals, and other local social solutions to community vision rather than allowing outside agents to gambling for themselves with the outputs of our agency. We flip out over the potential for waste in too many hospitals while binning laptops and phones every couple years to save Apple. There will be literal waste to any human endeavor. What character do we want it to have? Empowering a party drug addicted rocket man filling us full of high minded bullshit about a future no one can predict or helping people exist how humans tend to exist; building communal ties that don’t expropriate wealth and agency for some distant power hording edgelord.
      - andrei_says_ 4y ago
        Thank you for clarifying, this distinction is useful to me. Do you see the possibility for a constructive approach which could address the situation with TikTok? And, by extension, the toxic destructive influence of social media addiction, especially for youth?
        newbYhrly 4y ago
        Who is to say it is destructive and toxic? Elders who lack emotional context and for whom it quickly makes anxious? The same was said by elders when DND and comic books came about. The same was said about the internet itself. About secularism and relinquishing maintenance of past spoken traditions of all flavors. For an increasingly secular society to say “hey wait I meant we bin religion but not my profiteering!” is the height of hypocrisy. The only past traditions of value are disabusing people their meatbag is more sacrosanct than another, and fighting like hell to improve equality of condition for all meatbags even if that costs some their figurative value whether measured in conviction to scripture or fiat currency. That’s my two cents anyway. Relativity means reality is relative, and thus so too are individual motives given an individuals time spent close to specific information.
- Yeahsureok 4y ago
  > jails dissenting journalists Like Julian Assange who will be locked up for life with no fair trail due to publishing raw war footage? Or is that different?

RomanPushkin 4y ago

I'm from US, and I don't use TikTok, but time to time I can watch Instagram and Youtube shorts. I don't know how the absolute nonsense coming from these two US-based platforms is too much different from TikTok. I can rephrase it with your own words: US "feed US users absolute nonsense".

robswc 4y ago
Sure. Not at all happy about that either though. If China also fed its users nonsense, it wouldn't be a very useful weapon.
A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
Long, long time go, I remember seeing a documentary on Michael Jackson and how he either completely removed ( or severely restricted ; I can't remember ) TV access for his children. As a child back then, I thought that was crazy. Looking back, that crazy bastard was onto something. TV fed us a lot of garbage. Social media is worse, because it gets us better and better garbage. It is almost like we keep getting an algorithmically improved media equivalent of a big mac each time we bring it up. You are, naturally, right about that there is no distinction between TikTok, FB and others. It is all crap. Ideally, it would all just disappear. Now, that is the hard part.

andrei_says_ 4y ago

What is the source of this claim? Asking because I recently saw someone in a podcast say that they made this claim up and then the media picked it up and repeated it.

theknocker 4y ago

im3w1l 4y ago

Isn't that just following the norms of US vs norms of China? What would you rather have them show in the US, communism propaganda?

guilhas 4y ago

Nonesense created by US users themselves Which a lot of people claims to be a good thing, how the algorithm gives a chance to new people instead of just popular

angio 4y ago

That's because the US has free speech while in China there are laws about what can be posted online. If you don't want to see that content on TikTok, ask your politicians to pass censorship laws to ban it. Doesn't sound that good now does it?

aaron695 4y ago

powerapple 4y ago

I have yet to see anything is not a threat to US national security. I am sure the most powerful country is the most paranoid one, I thought it was only for the weapon industry to sell more to the US public, now I am not sure.

clippablematt 4y ago

This is absolute nonsense conspiracy I keep seeing repeated. TikTok/Douyin is just as cringe over here in China too.

daniel-cussen 4y ago