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The Terayacht Project
- matt3210 4y agoRich people would live on it and leave the problems of the poor behind.
- braingenious 4y agoYes. This is a common theme with yachts.
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- PaulHoule 4y agoI’ve been looking for a business case for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_large_floating_structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_large_floating_structure
- opwieurposiu 4y agoIt's about 2 aircraft carriers long, so not totally impossible as far as size. 5kt speed would make me very nervous about running aground on a lee shore when the gale picks up. Stick an A1B reactor in her belly and sign me up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1B_reactor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1B_reactor
- consumer451 4y ago> 5kt speed I usually try to be constructive regarding crazy ideas, but I have spent some time on the ocean and 5kts is a giant red flag for me. I would assume that it could maybe be workable if it stayed hundreds of km away from land/shallows unless accompanied by a flotilla of large tug boats. Also: "Pangeos will be perpetually itinerant around our planet Earth." Not sure how they could do that. It is larger than Panamax and Suezmax. The only other choice is going around the southern Capes and that is not something I can imagine doing in a ship limited to anything close to 5kts. The average wind speeds there are around 30kts. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Worldwide-average-wind-speed-map-created-based-on-wind-speed-measurements-at-the-height_fig3_311857024 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Worldwide-average-wind-s...
- _yb2s 4y agoSmall sailboats with hull speeds near 5 knots regularly and safely circumnavigate the globe, and can weather storms, and navigate the southern capes. Without engineering details on why it’s limited to 5 knots there’s no reason to think that’s a red flag. 5 knots is a speed against current, and ocean currents are much much less than that. Perhaps (likely) it would be able to still do 5 knots upwind in a storm.
- consumer451 4y ago>Small sailboats Yes, SAIL boats which can configure their sails to move in directions other than downwind.
- jabl 4y agoAlso, ships, particularly sailing ships/boats, have hull forms with significantly less drag in the direction they're trying to go, vs sideways. This things, shaped like a giant tortoise with those massive (presumably rigid ) flippers, not so much.
- _yb2s 4y agoI don't understand your concern here. Sailboats can only sail ~45 degrees to the wind. This is a powerboat, so it can motor any direction, including directly upwind. Assuming the 5 knots is a hydrodynamic limitation of the (admittedly very silly) hull design rather than an engine power limitation (most likely, because you could always spec a more powerful motor), the boat could still go 5 knots any direction, including directly upwind into a storm. Just because a boat is slow doesn't mean it can't handle a storm, even more-so with powerboats than sailboats. Case in point, look at old fashioned displacement trollers, e.g. an old wooden salmon troller. These usually have an ~8 knot top speed yet can run directly upwind into a storm for days on end with no problem, at almost exactly the same speed as they would go downwind... because the speed limitation is entirely from the hull speed and not affected by wind. Boats like that have been weathering the worst ocean storms for over a hundred years safely and reliably.
- preisschild 4y agoCommercial SMRs might be more economic than a military reactor. Especially if you have tons of space like here.
- xwdv 4y agoInteresting to think that even if the project ran over budget and ended up costing double at $16 billion, Elon Musk could have built two of these and still had some billions to spare instead of buying twitter for $44 billion.
- hutzlibu 4y agoExcept that maybe all the numbers are made up, so could easily cost 100 times as much. They would even need to build a special construction factory/port, that alone could cost much more than 8 billion.
- hindsightbias 4y agoElysium 1.0
- wave_function 4y agoVery affordable at a price of 16 milliNEOMs!
- ZoomerCretin 4y agoAt the cost of only $8 billion, I'm surprised that more megaprojects like this aren't being done. What monuments are we leaving for future generations? Why isn't anyone building a Great-Pyramid-of-Giza sized project every hundred years?
- booi 4y agoDoes the Great Pacific Garbage Patch count?
- carapace 4y agoHa! I'm planning to collect the GPGP and turn it into a large artificial floating structure. Floating in the air. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Nine_(sphere) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Nine_(sphere) (It's mostly a stunt to show humanity that we can do great things.)
- csh0 4y agoA great Stack Exchange answer on the feasibility of such a structure. https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/36667/can-cloud-nine-be-built https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/36667/can-...
- carapace 4y agoI just skimmed it. Folks are having fun. :) The question isn't what material to use, it's how big do you have to be (with a given material) to float? You can always just make your sphere bigger, eh? (That's kinda the point. It would actually be really really inconvenient to live in a Cloud Nine, no?) Anyway, I'm also going to use kites. (E.g. Imagine the Cloud Nine with a skirt like the Rings of Saturn, rotating, with the individual "cells" of the kite membrane modulated to afford directional control... Or Magnus Effect "cilia" that manipulate the envelope of air around the sphere...)
- avaldez_ 4y agoThe UK is in the Atlantic ocean not in the Pacific.
- maytc 4y agoLove how they are selling NFTs of the "unreal estate" on the next tab.
- Taniwha 4y agoOne might suggest that the NFTs are the only thing close to 'real' here
- martopix 4y agoI don't see anywhere on the website an answer to 'why'. Or even asking the question.
- joshu 4y agoCould call it the Elysium
- rocket_surgeron 4y agoFrom the next tab over from the turtleship tab: >The "UNREAL ESTATE" is a NFT crowdfunding project, by paying in cryptocurrency it is possible to purchase virtually the selected space. >This will generate an initial budget to step into a more sophisticated augmented reality, the Pangeos metaverse. LOL Like I've said before, I am angry at my dumb brain every single day because it is too dumb to come up with ways to scam schmucks out of their money....
- Mengkudulangsat 4y agoIt doesn't have a runway! Even as a concept that feels like wasting precious floating real estate. The hyper rich need to arrive somehow.
- hirundo 4y agoThe video has airplanes on the roof, next to the helicopters, presumably VTOL.
- bruce511 4y agoThe article missed out on the details I was keen to hear. A) power source? Electric motors so I'm assuming a mix of solar and wind? Or diesel? I'm guessing not nuclear. B) docking. Can something this large (width more than length) actually be docked? From the shape I'm guessing "mostly no". So provisioning, embarking and so on is done via ferry? In open water? That might be fun. So actually visiting various places (getting off) might be very constrained. C) dry-docking. I'm going to assume it can only be dry docked in the place it was built. That's fine for planned maintainence, but perhaps a problem if she became unseaworthy far from home. D) is this a holiday cruise ship? Is it supposed to be permanent residence? If holiday seems like a poor alternative to an actual cruise ship (no / Minimal port docking?). If a permanent residence then it also seems like a poor choice. Limited access to everything (no overnight amazon delivery for you), very limited job opportunities, not sure what it's "exporting" to pay for the fuel. So I'm guessing not self-sustaining, so basically reliant on land for food/fuel? And cash. So permanent if you start mega-rich and don't need money. But if you're mega-rich why go on this thing? Why not just get your own yacht? Sooo many questions... But ultimately I wonder; A) who wants this thing? B) can they afford it?
- preisschild 4y agoHydrogen might be a solution to powering marine shipping too. Can be produced en masse and co2-free by big fission reactors & renewables. Although having SMRs directly power ships would be cool too.
- PaulHoule 4y agoPlease let it use https://www.seaborg.com/ https://www.seaborg.com/
- wiml 4y agoA) Many large ships run with electric motors and diesel generators anyway, so it would be unsurprising if this ship did the same. B) I'm sure they can carry fairly large swanky launches / tenders / whatever C) This is interesting to me also. I suppose you could build a coffer dam around it anywhere you have a large enough shallow harbor. But even conventional large ships spend a lot of their time far away from any shipyard big enough to repair them, maybe it's just an accepted difficulty. D) The $8-billion question, yes? The page doesn't seem to address this at all. It seems to be one designer's idle fantasy and a bunch of renders.
- mauvehaus 4y agoThis is rather Snow Crash, isn't it? At 5kts, I can't see how it could possibly avoid becoming a Raft. Gotta run. Got pizza to deliver.
- jl6 4y agoThe Raft was a bunch of smaller ships clustered together wasn’t it? That seems a much more sensible approach than a floating monolith. Start small - buy a boat and see if you can convince other people to tie their boats to yours.
- stonemetal12 4y agoThe core of the raft was an aircraft carrier.
- xxr 4y agoExcept our metaverse doesn’t even have the Black Sun
- fxj 4y agoOr Elysium in the oceans and not in space. It would be a place for the retired super rich with all the latest health care amenities.
- crabmusket 4y agoOr Avenue 5 in the ocean and not in space.
- 1995moz 4y agoA project like this must merge with Neom. Funding issues solved!
- notatoad 4y ago>Immagine to join together the world biggest yacht firms in an unique project. (None of the below brands are now involved yet in the project) lol. i'm having a hard time believing this is anything other than the imaginings of some 15-year-old
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- ehnto 4y agoOh I missed that fine print, I thought those brands were at least loosely engaged. That was actually the only thing adding credibility for me, oh well.
- Animats 4y agoIt sounds like one of those really bad Dubai megaprojects like the Palm Islands[1] and The Line.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands [2] https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline
- once_inc 4y agoWell, the first is realized, the second is currently underway. I guess the creator would be happy to be mentioned along these projects.
- bearmode 4y ago>Well, the first is realized 1/3 of it is realised, the remaining 2/3 have no apparent future, and all have had horrendous ecological effects
- DonHopkins 4y agoBut they're going to sell NFTs so you can actually OWN THE SLAVES that build it, in perpetuity!
- stevesearer 4y agoDoes anyone remember the Freedom Ship? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Ship https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Ship
- efitz 4y agoHow are you going to feed 60k people if it is “itinerant”? How are you going to dispose of trash and waste? It will have to be kept close to shore near a sizable port and have constant stream of supply and waste ferry traffic.
- Taniwha 4y agoit's too big for almost every current port
- Taniwha 4y agoand both canals
- microtherion 4y ago> How are you going to dispose of trash and waste? An answer may be found in Mykle Hansen's novella "Crazy Shitting Planet", where the rich live in such structures in the air and just let it all rain on the rest of the world. Obviously satire, but not really contradicted by the historical record.
- RantyDave 4y agoThe largest cruise ship ever built is about to go in the bin without a single passenger ever setting foot on board. If they really think this can work, they could do a PoC using that. Which, of course, they won't.
- gregoriol 4y agoWhat are you talking about? source?
- unklefolk 4y agoMaybe this? This isn't THE biggest cruise ship ever built though. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/world-news/one-worlds-largest-cruise-ships-24320880 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/world-news/one-worlds-lar...
- RantyDave 4y agoAwww, I thought it was. Merely very big, then.
- tromp 4y agohttps://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/cruise-ship-worlds-biggest-scrapyard-b2108536.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/cruise-... https://interestingengineering.com/culture/9000-passenger-cruise-maiden-voyage-scrapyard https://interestingengineering.com/culture/9000-passenger-cr...
- rkagerer 4y agoplans also included the use of artificial intelligence (A.I.) for many customer-facing services while also using facial recognition systems to minimize queueing Not sad to see that bit scrapped.
- cannam 4y agoGlobal Dream II https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/01/global-dream-ii-worlds-biggest-cruise-ship-faces-scrap-before-voyage-17284853 https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/01/global-dream-ii-worlds-bigges... It's a sad story from many angles - technical, environmental, political, economic.
- renewiltord 4y agoAbsolutely no go because not enough room for non luxury people.
- ehnto 4y agoI'm actually surprised how little space there is in general. Maybe I'm missing something, or they've spent a little too much space on Villas.
- Nursie 4y agoAh, but the crew get to live in the lightless corridors underneath it all! What an opportunity for them!
- waltbosz 4y agoI noticed that too. Which makes me see the project as more of a giant cruise ship than a floating EPCOT (Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow). A giant cruise ship isn't very exciting. Whereas, a floating city where the government employees get to live the same quality of life as the residents would be something interesting.
- jnsaff2 4y agocompensating much?
- jeffrallen 4y ago"Unsinkable", yeah right.
- ShredKazoo 4y agoWhat happens when it gets caught in a storm?
- frankzander 4y agoTurtles can dive you know ;-)
- beloch 4y agoIf you go under "Unreal Estate", they're selling NFT's of the gigaturtle's various accommodations, and say they plan to expand into the metaverse (there's a countdown timer to release!), where they'll do more of the same. The NFT's (of which it doesn't look like many have sold) will fund Meta development, and the El Dorado that is Meta will open the floodgates and generate enough dough to start actual planning... It's a freakin' gigaturtle folks! There are reasons why real ships don't look like this. Ever. It's exceedingly unlikely that the makers of this site are serious about anything other than selling NFT's and maybe testing the waters with Meta.
- CaptainZapp 4y agoThe monstrosity is a libertarian fever dream. Live on the seas, be unconcerned about regulations and best of all: no taxes! Well, I'm really not sure how well this works out considering that the sea is one of the most regulated entities on the globe. For a sobering read I recommend this article about the Satoshi. "The world's first crypto currency cruise ship" : https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/sep/07/disastrous-voyage-satoshi-cryptocurrency-cruise-ship-seassteading https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/sep/07/disastrous-voya...
- chinathrow 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
- RugnirViking 4y agoThe spelling and grammar mistakes don't exactly fill one with confidence either haha. Their social links also don't work. There have been many attempts at things like this in the past and they tend to go nowhere unless backed by very wealthy and powerful people. For reference, this claims it needs a projected 8 billion in funding, which is around the total estimated size of the nft market.
- bierjunge 4y agoFrom their website: >WE CAN BUILD IT ! >Immagine to join together the world biggest yacht firms in an unique project. >(None of the below brands are now involved yet in the project) This text is accompanied by logos of companies which are NOT involved and probably never even heard of this project. I highly doubt they can build anything. The 8 billion needed to build a monstrosity like that seems possible, but doing it in 8 years? I don't thinks so. There are way too many technical challenges to solve and there is no shipyard in the world which could construct it in one piece. Making it modular, would be possible, but not in this time frame. And the design for the ship is terrible, no maritime engineer would sign that off.
- human3047628272 4y agoThe missing figure on the website is an estimate of the amount of greenhouse gases emitted for this project, both during construction and throughout its operation.
- usrusr 4y agoEnough to drive demand for floating habition. It's a celebration of greed that is rationalized by pretending to be a parody.
- rkagerer 4y agoI'll donate if they promise to christen it Great A'Tuin.
- pjc50 4y agoOf course it's Saudi Arabia. The proceeds of climate change need to be wasted somehow. The obvious lego cranes in the background of the render are a nice touch. It's also literally a Verne novel from 1895: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propeller_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propeller_Island
- sgu999 4y agoThe name was the first hint, then comes the picture of this stupid giant turtle, no need to scroll further... definitely one of these dumb countries that run on petrodollars.
- prottog 4y agoYeah, why did they have to use Lego cranes in a render?
- Kukumber 4y agoit's important to keep push the industry forward this could be an experimental space ship there is a lot to learn from this project i hope they'll succeed
- jabl 4y ago> it's important to keep push the industry forward The 'scamming gullible people' industry, you mean? > this could be an experimental space ship Dude, this thing is supposed to do a maximum of 5 knots on the surface of the sea. That's a fairly small fraction of the escape velocity, not to mention the whole getting of the ground thing. I suspect it'll end up looking somewhat different if the intention is to launch it into orbit and beyond. > there is a lot to learn from this project There sure is. Just like you shouldn't send your money to some Nigerian prince who claims he will make you fabulously rich, you should learn to stay clear of projects like this. > i hope they'll succeed To be quite honest, I hope they don't.
- Kukumber 4y ago> Dude, this thing is supposed to do a maximum of 5 knots on the surface of the sea. That's a fairly small fraction of the escape velocity, not to mention the whole getting of the ground thing. I suspect it'll end up looking somewhat different if the intention is to launch it into orbit and beyond. > There sure is. Just like you shouldn't send your money to some Nigerian prince who claims he will make you fabulously rich, you should learn to stay clear of projects like this. learning from logistic management, suply chain challenges, growing stuff on site etc but you do you, you'll just need to raise your head and watch China conquer planets, you'll probably see their moonbase, and wonder why it's not you instead this mindset of yours is unfortunate for your peers
- davedx 4y agoIt's a Megaship from Consider Phlebas! https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/Megaship https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/Megaship Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell And the profit and loss. A current under sea Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell He passed the stages of his age and youth Entering the whirlpool. Gentile or Jew O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
- sfpotter 4y agoYou beat me to it. :-) Currently in the middle of reading Consider Phlebas.
- lampe3 4y agoIs this the next wave of NFT scams? Promise something that will never be build but in the mean time sell some NFTs and metaverse stuff?
- krisoft 4y agoStructurally. I look at that thing, especially the long flippers. Wouldn't this thing have crazy bending moments even in moderate sea states?
- smorrebrod 4y agoAnd then you consider rogue waves which lifts boats and cause them to collapse under their own weight and you can say good bye to these flippers.
- waltbosz 4y agoReminds me of the story of Noah's ark. (Shudder) I just imagined a sci-fi world in which this yacht is built and there are groups of feuding subcultures that live in different parts of the yacht. Feuding, sort of like that Futurama episode where Bender gets lost in space and ends up hosting a civilization of Lilliputians.
- crabmusket 4y agoSnowpiercer, but tropical.
- bsenftner 4y agoAnother example of fraud at scale. Just like web3/crypto and, well, the current GOP Republican party: nothing but claims, obscure references to power, and personalities.
- motohagiography 4y agoThe economics of cruise lines are very closely analogous to that of space travel. Making these ships habitable and building social cultures that can survive long periods on them will make other planets habitable. The only meaningful difference is propulsion. I feel like there is a more cyberpunk future for cruise lines where once Starlink and remote work is more mature, living aboard one will be economical for a bunch of reasons like land costs, crime, tax domicile, identity. The part in the video with personal quadcopter taxis solves a bunch of dinghy problems The World (large cruise ship with condominiums) was made for retired seniors, but a bunch of remote employees living on them getting paid electronically and paying for fuel, food, and maintenance is sort of the city state concept that dumber ideas (sovereign stationary sea platforms) got in their own way of implementing. Las Vegas began in a similar way, where it attracted revenue with gambling, where a ship would collect it from residents who made money via remote work. One could even try real socialism on board because in a closed environment it would be sure to work.[*] Maybe we launch a fleet of cruise ships and offer housing to people who can be trained in remote jobs, where each vessel lives under different systems of rule for a year or two, and see how they work out. Edit: there is almost no public service administration job that could not be done remotely from one of these ships as well.
- DonHopkins 4y agoSo exactly who is going to collect the garbage and mop the floors?
- motohagiography 4y agoThe maintainance crews paid for by residents whose quarters are subsidized by the fees. Provided nobody catches a mind virus or they get offboarded before it can spread, it could work pretty well. Communes work pretty well until they don't on the same principles.
- DonHopkins 4y agoBy "mind virus" do you mean the uppity notion that slavery is wrong?
- K0balt 4y agoThis is not a well conceived project. Without ridiculously expensive structures, the design will break up in heavy seas. The turtle wings are far, far too thin to bear the loads that will be put on them. If the power is sufficient for only 5 knots in calm conditions, it will be uncontrollable in bad weather and will only go where the wind blows it. Aside from the glaring structural issues with the design (I’m sure a naval architect will sort them out on that in the very unlikely that it ever gets to that stage), the site is very shady with simple spelling errors as well as listing companies with their logo that are in no way affiliated with the project in a way that makes it seem like they are already involved and endorse the endeavor. This comes across as very interested in selling their NFTs , not so much in being sincere, open, or even truthful about the prospects. As someone who routinely invests in projects with a > 75 percent risk of failure, I would not invest in this project with the intention of ever seeing it completed.
- phkahler 4y ago$8B over 60k residents is 133k per person. Seem low. My biggest concern is the logistics of the supply chain to it at sea, and that has to be very dynamic if it's actually going places.
- metadat 4y agoWhat if they grow and raise their own food aboard the ship? I do agree with the larger issues of maintaining hull integrity. It seems like a riskier investment than beachfront property in Florida.
- throwoutway 4y agoProbably spewing toxic waste out the back of it.
- m0llusk 4y agoIt seems like one of the big still largely unsolved problems here is that of connection among units. Even very compact cities sprawl out and have constant contact with markets through transportation. Having relatively easy connections between habitable units, in this case ships of various sorts, lowers the pressure to build big and makes large groupings possible by facilitating transportation. Currently there is an example of this in carrier groups. These consist of many types of ship that travel together and depend on supply ships. To transfer goods between ships there are specialized cranes that set up cable connections that handle the cargo. Improving this technology so that even basic boats available to the public could make reliable exchanges at sea could really help. Or maybe the solution is to launch and recover small vessels that travel between boats. Only development and experimentation will really tell. In any case, any seagoing enterprise with many people and industries will have to have a great deal of exchange with other vessels or remain close to coastal sources of supplies. It may make more sense to think of this whole enterprise more in terms of logistics than being about structures.
- whycombinetor 4y agoIf you cannot achieve basic subject-verb agreement, I have zero faith in your ability to do anything at all with competence, much less build the world's largest floating structure. "The project extend his length for 550 meters" "Once dried the terrain will possible to start preparing the basement area" "This space provide an unsinkable floating solution" "it's capable to guest up to 60,000 accommodations." "Immagine to join together the world biggest yacht firms in an unique project."
- qikInNdOutReply 4y agoWhat value does this add to its users? Most of the rich want extreme privacy, they do not desire to life in villages or cities, they want lonely towers on fort like islands or remote bunkers with a view. Here they do not get this, but they have the same costs as a normal yacht + tax costs to maintain the greater whole. It does not even provide decoupling from all forms of society, as the underclass necessary to maintain the vessel could rebel. The turtle moves, back to the drawing board.