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Those 20 Million should revolt and blast Putin into the black sea.

dekhn 4y ago
it would be nice if the russian citizenry removed putin and removed all their troops from Ukraine, along with paying reparations. I don't think that's going to happen, though. Look at the convoluted path for the Soviet Union becoming Russia in the first place- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Unio... and contrast to the power structure and revenue structure that Putin has assembled.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  Difficult considering many are in favor of the war.
  - vkou 4y ago
    They are as in favor of the war as rural Americans were in favor of invading Iraq. It's easy to bring death and destruction to foreigners, it's a little different when it's your ass, or your husband, or your son getting conscripted. Mass mobilization on the multi-millions level would destroy his public support, and raising it was the whole reason for starting the war.
    - yrgulation 4y ago
      I hope you are right, but reports, and many comments from russians living abroad or within russia indicate that I am right. There are a few edge cases here and there but by and large their disappointment seems to be that _they_ are mobilized, and not the war itself. Again, I hope you are right! In my view, the victims here are _both_ Ukrainians and Russians. Such amazing cultures and countries destroyed and dragged in through the mud in the name of a primitive expansionist ideology. I hope we can at least help Ukraine achieve it's full capacity post war. Ideally without doing the damage that the EU did to the other east eu member countries.
      - vkou 4y ago
        > I hope you are right, but reports, and many comments from russians living abroad or within russia indicate that I am right. How many of these Russians have been both conscripted, and are speaking freely, either to you personally, or to the press? The formula of war changes when you have skin in the game. I don't see the ones abroad running home to enlist, and I don't see the ones at home speaking freely, because of fear of consequences.

it would be nice if the russian citizenry removed putin and removed all their troops from Ukraine, along with paying reparations. I don't think that's going to happen, though. Look at the convoluted path for the Soviet Union becoming Russia in the first place- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Unio... and contrast to the power structure and revenue structure that Putin has assembled.

yrgulation 4y ago
Difficult considering many are in favor of the war.
- vkou 4y ago
  They are as in favor of the war as rural Americans were in favor of invading Iraq. It's easy to bring death and destruction to foreigners, it's a little different when it's your ass, or your husband, or your son getting conscripted. Mass mobilization on the multi-millions level would destroy his public support, and raising it was the whole reason for starting the war.
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    I hope you are right, but reports, and many comments from russians living abroad or within russia indicate that I am right. There are a few edge cases here and there but by and large their disappointment seems to be that _they_ are mobilized, and not the war itself. Again, I hope you are right! In my view, the victims here are _both_ Ukrainians and Russians. Such amazing cultures and countries destroyed and dragged in through the mud in the name of a primitive expansionist ideology. I hope we can at least help Ukraine achieve it's full capacity post war. Ideally without doing the damage that the EU did to the other east eu member countries.
    - vkou 4y ago
      > I hope you are right, but reports, and many comments from russians living abroad or within russia indicate that I am right. How many of these Russians have been both conscripted, and are speaking freely, either to you personally, or to the press? The formula of war changes when you have skin in the game. I don't see the ones abroad running home to enlist, and I don't see the ones at home speaking freely, because of fear of consequences.