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Oh i bet that beast hiding in the kremlin would love for things to escalate. But boy is the russian army and their equipment a joke.

vkou 4y ago
I bet you he doesn't, both because he has had ample opportunity to do so already, because he's already losing conventionally, and because none of the endgames for escalation between two nuclear powers end well for anyone. Occam's razor tells me that this was an accident, just like MH17 and Iran Air Flight 655 were. Notice how neither Iran nor Malaysia 'escalated' in response to those attacks against them.
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- codedokode 4y ago
  He is not losing though because potentially Russia can mobilize 20-40 millions of soldiers or even more if he convinces other countries like Belarus or Iran to help him.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    They don't have the logistics to support that. But we do know that Russia is highly capable of sending its men to the meat grinder.
    - thdespou 4y ago
      Those 20 Million should revolt and blast Putin into the black sea.
      - dekhn 4y ago
        it would be nice if the russian citizenry removed putin and removed all their troops from Ukraine, along with paying reparations. I don't think that's going to happen, though. Look at the convoluted path for the Soviet Union becoming Russia in the first place- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Unio... and contrast to the power structure and revenue structure that Putin has assembled.
        yrgulation 4y ago
        Difficult considering many are in favor of the war.
        vkou 4y ago
        They are as in favor of the war as rural Americans were in favor of invading Iraq. It's easy to bring death and destruction to foreigners, it's a little different when it's your ass, or your husband, or your son getting conscripted. Mass mobilization on the multi-millions level would destroy his public support, and raising it was the whole reason for starting the war.
        yrgulation 4y ago
        I hope you are right, but reports, and many comments from russians living abroad or within russia indicate that I am right. There are a few edge cases here and there but by and large their disappointment seems to be that _they_ are mobilized, and not the war itself. Again, I hope you are right! In my view, the victims here are _both_ Ukrainians and Russians. Such amazing cultures and countries destroyed and dragged in through the mud in the name of a primitive expansionist ideology. I hope we can at least help Ukraine achieve it's full capacity post war. Ideally without doing the damage that the EU did to the other east eu member countries.
        vkou 4y ago
        > I hope you are right, but reports, and many comments from russians living abroad or within russia indicate that I am right. How many of these Russians have been both conscripted, and are speaking freely, either to you personally, or to the press? The formula of war changes when you have skin in the game. I don't see the ones abroad running home to enlist, and I don't see the ones at home speaking freely, because of fear of consequences.
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vkou 4y ago

I bet you he doesn't, both because he has had ample opportunity to do so already, because he's already losing conventionally, and because none of the endgames for escalation between two nuclear powers end well for anyone. Occam's razor tells me that this was an accident, just like MH17 and Iran Air Flight 655 were. Notice how neither Iran nor Malaysia 'escalated' in response to those attacks against them.

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codedokode 4y ago
He is not losing though because potentially Russia can mobilize 20-40 millions of soldiers or even more if he convinces other countries like Belarus or Iran to help him.
- dekhn 4y ago
  They don't have the logistics to support that. But we do know that Russia is highly capable of sending its men to the meat grinder.
  - thdespou 4y ago
    Those 20 Million should revolt and blast Putin into the black sea.
    - dekhn 4y ago
      it would be nice if the russian citizenry removed putin and removed all their troops from Ukraine, along with paying reparations. I don't think that's going to happen, though. Look at the convoluted path for the Soviet Union becoming Russia in the first place- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Unio... and contrast to the power structure and revenue structure that Putin has assembled.
      - yrgulation 4y ago
        Difficult considering many are in favor of the war.
        vkou 4y ago
        They are as in favor of the war as rural Americans were in favor of invading Iraq. It's easy to bring death and destruction to foreigners, it's a little different when it's your ass, or your husband, or your son getting conscripted. Mass mobilization on the multi-millions level would destroy his public support, and raising it was the whole reason for starting the war.
        yrgulation 4y ago
        I hope you are right, but reports, and many comments from russians living abroad or within russia indicate that I am right. There are a few edge cases here and there but by and large their disappointment seems to be that _they_ are mobilized, and not the war itself. Again, I hope you are right! In my view, the victims here are _both_ Ukrainians and Russians. Such amazing cultures and countries destroyed and dragged in through the mud in the name of a primitive expansionist ideology. I hope we can at least help Ukraine achieve it's full capacity post war. Ideally without doing the damage that the EU did to the other east eu member countries.
        vkou 4y ago
        > I hope you are right, but reports, and many comments from russians living abroad or within russia indicate that I am right. How many of these Russians have been both conscripted, and are speaking freely, either to you personally, or to the press? The formula of war changes when you have skin in the game. I don't see the ones abroad running home to enlist, and I don't see the ones at home speaking freely, because of fear of consequences.
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