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This could work and is 100% reporting "news": "But he would offer only limited details about the central questions swirling around him: whether FTX improperly

This could work and is 100% reporting "news": "But he would offer only limited details about the central questions swirling around him: whether FTX improperly used billions of dollars of customer funds to prop up a trading firm that he also founded, Alameda Research. The Justice Department and the S.E.C. are examining that relationship. There are some who question this narrative of mistakes made and are calling it a fraud".

bilbo0s 4y ago
Who are "some"? That's first thing that jumps out. You have to list all the organizations willing to go on the record calling it fraud. Your added statement doesn't provide any information about additional organizations that consider FTX-Alameda a fraud. It just puts out a nebulous implication that there exist some organizations, somewhere, that are calling it a fraud. In fact, your statement doesn't clarify whether or not these organizations are engaged in investigations. Nor does your statement even make mention of the evidence these organizations gave you to back up their assertions. Only that these, hopefully not totally hypothetical, organizations "question" a narrative. I have to say, this addition by you is actually worse than the statement that NYTimes printed in terms of journalistic quality. I actually hate NYTimes/FOX/CNN/BBC etc for reasons that should be obvious. But what you're doing is going in the opposite direction of where we need to be headed with responsible journalism.
- eternalban 4y ago
  Disagree. Even in the space of crypto, the community, there are people openly calling this a fraud. That is news. To omit to mention that the crypto community itself is making these claims is to suppress information. If you just read The New York Times on this topic, would you have a clue that there is a storm of controversy and very pointed questions regarding this affair and other 'important people' associated with this affair?
  - bilbo0s 4y ago
    Again, you're saying "the crypto community". So who? "Who?" "What?" "When?" "Where?" "How?" Here's a thought, "Why?" Who specifically? What evidence did they give you? How are they communicating that it's a fraud? Why do they think it's a fraud? Journalistic quality requires you to answer questions. Some answers can be "it's under investigation", but you have to have an answer. You've, again, made a vague reference to something as nebulous as a "community" and you want it to be taken as equally authoritative in nature to the NYTimes' reference to the SEC and the SEC's investigation. It's just not. You have to name the organizations, and layout the actions they're taking.
    - eternalban 4y ago
      I liked this thread. It collects how the media is portraying SBF. We're now officially living in a B movie. https://nitter.net/r2remeta/status/1592662692627877888#m https://nitter.net/r2remeta/status/1592662692627877888#m I really liked this one! SBF the Alpha-Male. Will there be Caroline & the rise of Alpha-Venus articles to come? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-12/bankman-fried-changpeng-zhao-bloodsport-sows-crypto-catastrophe-in-ftx https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-12/bankman-f...
- adamrezich 4y ago
  > Who are "some"? "sources familiar with the matter," obviously. this is the NYT after all.
- eternalban 4y ago
  Here are some of the "some": https://decrypt.co/114826/ftx-lawsuit-takes-aim-larry-david-tom-brady-promoting-crypto-exchange https://decrypt.co/114826/ftx-lawsuit-takes-aim-larry-david-...
GrinningFool 4y ago
> There are some Some politicians like that wording a lot - "People are saying...", "I am hearing..." It's not verifiable and doesn't belong in a news story.

bilbo0s 4y ago

Who are "some"? That's first thing that jumps out. You have to list all the organizations willing to go on the record calling it fraud. Your added statement doesn't provide any information about additional organizations that consider FTX-Alameda a fraud. It just puts out a nebulous implication that there exist some organizations, somewhere, that are calling it a fraud. In fact, your statement doesn't clarify whether or not these organizations are engaged in investigations. Nor does your statement even make mention of the evidence these organizations gave you to back up their assertions. Only that these, hopefully not totally hypothetical, organizations "question" a narrative. I have to say, this addition by you is actually worse than the statement that NYTimes printed in terms of journalistic quality. I actually hate NYTimes/FOX/CNN/BBC etc for reasons that should be obvious. But what you're doing is going in the opposite direction of where we need to be headed with responsible journalism.

eternalban 4y ago
Disagree. Even in the space of crypto, the community, there are people openly calling this a fraud. That is news. To omit to mention that the crypto community itself is making these claims is to suppress information. If you just read The New York Times on this topic, would you have a clue that there is a storm of controversy and very pointed questions regarding this affair and other 'important people' associated with this affair?
- bilbo0s 4y ago
  Again, you're saying "the crypto community". So who? "Who?" "What?" "When?" "Where?" "How?" Here's a thought, "Why?" Who specifically? What evidence did they give you? How are they communicating that it's a fraud? Why do they think it's a fraud? Journalistic quality requires you to answer questions. Some answers can be "it's under investigation", but you have to have an answer. You've, again, made a vague reference to something as nebulous as a "community" and you want it to be taken as equally authoritative in nature to the NYTimes' reference to the SEC and the SEC's investigation. It's just not. You have to name the organizations, and layout the actions they're taking.
  - eternalban 4y ago
    I liked this thread. It collects how the media is portraying SBF. We're now officially living in a B movie. https://nitter.net/r2remeta/status/1592662692627877888#m https://nitter.net/r2remeta/status/1592662692627877888#m I really liked this one! SBF the Alpha-Male. Will there be Caroline & the rise of Alpha-Venus articles to come? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-12/bankman-fried-changpeng-zhao-bloodsport-sows-crypto-catastrophe-in-ftx https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-12/bankman-f...
adamrezich 4y ago
> Who are "some"? "sources familiar with the matter," obviously. this is the NYT after all.
eternalban 4y ago
Here are some of the "some": https://decrypt.co/114826/ftx-lawsuit-takes-aim-larry-david-tom-brady-promoting-crypto-exchange https://decrypt.co/114826/ftx-lawsuit-takes-aim-larry-david-...

GrinningFool 4y ago

> There are some Some politicians like that wording a lot - "People are saying...", "I am hearing..." It's not verifiable and doesn't belong in a news story.