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Thread: Twitter Engineers Fired for Correcting Musk
- snvzz 4y agoEmployees criticizing the company they work for get fired, news at 11. Can't have employees working against the company public image.
- mikkergp 4y agoOvernight, it is estimated more than 10 employees (maybe 20?) were fired for complaining in slack, which I interpret as _privately_
- snvzz 4y agoCreating discord within the company at a critical time such as now is rightfully not welcomed.
- cmsj 4y agoExpecting thousands of people to all agree that a huge change is a good idea, is kinda ridiculous though.
- snvzz 4y agoEmployees do not have to agree. They can instead leave. The door is right there. The way these employees were dismissed is pretty humane. They will get severance pay, and end up in a better place than if they just up and left.
- mikkergp 4y agoIm confused by your position here, employees should agree with all decisions or leave? That’s not generally the relationship I’ve had with management or peers in my career.
- snvzz 4y agoThe issue has nothing to do with disagreeing at a personal level, and everything to do with proper professional conduct. Basic levels thereof. I can disagree with decisions, without creating internal strife within the company I work for. I would hope you can, too.
- rondini 4y agoMusk publicly shaming his engineers for code they wrote is beyond inappropriate conduct. Any internal strife is entirely on him. Professionals should not be expected to extend any respect to those who treat them like dirt.
- cmsj 4y agoI'd remind you that Elon called out one of Twitter's engineers on Twitter for the Android app being slow. Professional conduct is clearly not a priority to him.
- snvzz 4y agoIt would be helpful to link the relevant twit, both for verification purposes and to be able to judge his words with our own brains. There's way too much hearsay being flung about in social media about Twitter's new ownership.
- Pfhortune 4y agoOk. Here's the original tweet: https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1591853644944932865 https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1591853644944932865 The reply: https://nitter.net/EricFrohnhoefer/status/1591902285403418624 https://nitter.net/EricFrohnhoefer/status/159190228540341862... And a screenshot of another exchange: https://nitter.net/cabel/status/1592228117409845249#m https://nitter.net/cabel/status/1592228117409845249#m Elon thinks he's an engineer, but he is just rich brat trying to look like an engineer, and throwing the real engineers under the bus in the process.
- MallocVoidstar 4y agoYes, Musk should certainly stop making such chaotic decisions.
- snvzz 4y agoWhich might turn out to be key decisions that save twitter. We will only be able to appreciate these long-term. Short term, the professional attitude to have is to either continue giving your best while observing the situation, or leave. It is never alright to, instead, work to sabotage harmony within the company, and it surprises me when people don't seem to understand something so basic.
- yintom 4y agoInteresting how employees are expected to be "professional" by just putting up with whatever bullshit, but Musk can openly bitch and moan and slate Twitter's employees and the work they've done, and that is somehow okay. Double standards.
- snvzz 4y agoEmployees don't own Twitter. Elon Musk does. He has every right, within the confines of the law, to choose how the company is run.
- yintom 4y agoTwitter, and indeed any company except one-man shops, is nothing without employees. Musk would do well to put his fragile ego to one side and not antagonise the current set of employees, or he'll be owning a bunch of code and data that rapidly becomes unmanageable as institutional knowledge is lost.
- snvzz 4y agoI do not have a hold of the big picture, and will thus abstain from making armchair commentary on how Twitter should be run. However, I do presume that most employees do not take issue with Musk's leadership, much unlike the drama we see in social media; Its nature does in fact tend to make everything into drama, even where there's none to be found.
- freejazz 4y ago"Creating discord" hmmm let me think on that
- philipov 4y agoThey're not using discord, they're using slack.
- Pfhortune 4y agoThat's a remarkably dystopian take. Also, what about Elon's supposed commitment to free speech? Is criticism not speech? Note: I'm not talking about free speech in the context of the first amendment, as that does not apply to private entities, obviously. I'm talking in the more broad sense, as in one should not be punished for speech, which is what I interpret Elon's take on it as.
- cmsj 4y agoThat would be the same Elon who made parody a bannable offence immediately after people started getting blue checkmarks on accounts making fun of him :D He doesn't care about free speech or Twitter, this is just a way for him to insert himself into the zeitgeist yet again, and throw around whatever engineering mastery he thinks he has.
- strangeattractr 4y agoTwitter has banned and unverified people who impersonate others without making it clear for years. Musk didn’t initiate this. https://www.insider.com/jaboukie-giabuchi-twitter-suspended-blue-checkmark-verified-cnn-joe-biden-2020-3?amp https://www.insider.com/jaboukie-giabuchi-twitter-suspended-...
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- faefox 4y agoThe purge continues. At least if we all know one thing it's that the most successful way to run a company is to instill a culture of fear and to surround yourself with sycophants.
- lazyeye 4y agoId say its just as much about culture change as it is about saving money. Musk wants to shock people out of their complacency. They need to understand its a different company now. Results now matter. And publicly disagreeing with the owner of the company, whilst working for the company shows this guy is not particularly bright. So probably no great loss.
- microtherion 4y agoMaybe it shows that the guy values integrity higher than his job, or that he thinks he has alternatives to putting up with any BS a capricious owner wants to put him through.
- lazyeye 4y agoWell maybe but Elon's opinions I believe were based on discussions with multiple senior tech people at Twitter. Either way, it sounds like both parties are better off if he leaves so all good.
- mongol 4y agoIt is interesting to read the termination notice referring to "violating company policy". For that to be true, there needs to be an explict policy prescribing a behavior they have violated. More likely,they were fired because Musk felt like it. Or did he really review and communicate a new policy since he took over?
- mikkergp 4y agoI guess something I don't know about employment law, everyone says in a ~right to work~ (Correction: At-will employment state), you can fire someone for any reason, but can you lie about the reason? Do you have to be able to prove that reason was true? Certainly I suppose you might want to be able to in case of a wrongful termination suit.
- mongol 4y agoExactly. It is one thing to say "because Musk wants you out", another to refer to some policy in ambiguous wording. Lying about such serious matter as why you fire someone is is my book very bad. This is the first time I consider leaving Twitter. Not sure I want to have anything to do with it any longer.
- dragonwriter 4y ago> I guess something I don't know about employment law, everyone says in a right to work state, you can fire someone for any reason ”At-will employment” (every state except Montana) not ”right-to-work” (which California emphatically is not.) The latter is a restriction on unions. > but can you lie about the reason? Lying publicly about the reason might be defamation, but this wasn’t public, and lying doesn’t itself establish that the reason was illegal, which is necessary for wrongful termination in an at-will state.
- encryptluks2 4y agoTrue.. however the comment about "A tragic case of adult onset Tourette’s" will definitely throw a wrench in the gears for any disability discrimination claim.