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Rimac Nevera Hits 412kph to Become World’s Fastest Production Electric Car
- selykg 4y agoThat quarter mile time alone is impressive. An 8.5 quarter mile time is really freaking moving.
- runnerup 4y agoFor comparison the $136,000 Tesla Model S plaid has been clocked at a 8.83 second 1/4th mile. But that took some time for a customer to eventually set. Initially it was reported to be 9.2 seconds with Car and Driver seeing 9.4 seconds. So the $2.1 million Nevera may see another few tenths shaved off over the next 6-24 months. The model S plaid was initially governor-locked to 162 mph / 260 mph but has since been recorded reaching up to 216 mph / 348 km/h. The Nevera’s 412 kph is 256 mph. Reaching 256 mph requires 40% more power to overcome just wind resistance than to reach 216 mph. If you doubled the power of the Tesla Model S Plaid you'd potentially reach somewhat shy of 305 mph (ignoring all drag other than wind). If you doubled the power of the Never you'd potentially reach somewhat less than 362 mph (ignoring all drag other than wind). I believe Tesla's 0-60 time is probably mainly tire friction limited rather than power-limited. It achieves average forward G's of 1.37G's, which is really pushing what people think matches the maximum frictional coefficients of street-legal tires using modern technology. Non street-legal F1 tires reach about 5G’s on braking. This is equivalent to a force of 6200 lbs-force acting on the Tesla with mass of 4766 lbs-mass. If there were a theoretical abundance of power available to sustain keeping the tires at their frictional limit, the Tesla Model S Plaid would max out at 628 mph in the absence of additional frictions beyond additional wind resistance. At this speed, 628 mph, the tires would lose traction if any more power was applied to the wheels. To reach this speed would require over 8 times as much horsepower as the Tesla Model S currently uses to reach 216 mph. So anyways, that's the ceiling for these vehicles. Somewhere around 8,000 horsepower. However, worth noting that the fastest land speed records for wheel-driven vehicles is only 400mph. And the fastest electric wheel-driven vehicle (Buckeye Bullet) achieved >300mph (almost 500kph) using an engine with only 400HP. It is very, very thin though with minimal frontal area, and definitely not street-legal. Assuming that 400mph is a hard limit for tires and other mechanical systems, that would require the Tesla to produce about 3400 horsepower.
- judge2020 4y ago260 km/h might be the limit in EU but it's 174 mph in the US https://youtu.be/prX7yF0T_gs https://youtu.be/prX7yF0T_gs .
- localhost 4y agoThat same driver of the stripped Model S Plaid put a lighter friend (60lbs lighter) and clocked an 8.77 @ 162.55mph. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvcmHUZ7jPU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvcmHUZ7jPU
- mywittyname 4y agoThis is drag race car levels of performance. This would compete in the NHRA Super Comp class if it were a race car.
- pxndxx 4y agoCalling this car Nevera (fridge) makes it a great addition to the unfortunate car names in Spanish, next to the Fiat Marea (makes-you-dizzy) and Mitsubishi Pajero (wanker).
- onion2k 4y agoThe Vauxhall Nova ("no go") was pretty poorly named.
- mywittyname 4y agoI always got the impression this was more of a thing English speakers picked up on but not Spanish speakers. Kind of like how pillow could be seen as "pill" & "ow" (pill = unpleasant, ow = "that's painful"), which would be ironic to a person with rudimentary English skills, but just a normal word to a native speaker.
- samatman 4y agoA better example is therapist: in any other sentence you wouldn't notice what I'm getting at, the pun is there but the stress on the words is different. Dr. Pornestach, Therapist, it's possible to push the conjunction but we mostly don't. "No va" is just "it's not going", which is about as awkward a way to describe a non-working vehicle in Spanish as it is in English. If my Nova broke down, yes, I'd make the pun. Now, if they'd tried to sell the Chevy Es Chingado...
- mywittyname 4y agoOh, that's a really good one.
- bitwize 4y agoI'll take swords for $400, Alex.
- gnatman 4y agoToyota MR2 in french is pronounced Em Air Deux, very close to "merde" which means "shit".
- axg11 4y agoThis is really impressive. The speed record itself is not super relevant to everyday production vehicles, but it's a great way to win customers over to EVs. In general, I underestimated the progress that electric vehicles would make over the last ~2 years. Most manufacturers have at least one decent EV on the market now. Where I live (Toronto, Canada), EV charging infrastructure still needs a lot of improvement but it's an inevitability now.
- carl_dr 4y agoWhat they don’t say is that the battery lasts 5 minutes at maximum performance. (The car’s engine power is 1914bhp, which is about 1400kW, the car’s battery is 120kWh.)
- rbanffy 4y agoThat 5 minute ride must be the scariest way to drive ~30 km... Only once I drove at 250 kph and it was like driving full speed in the wrong way.
- gambiting 4y agoYeah obviously it doesn't "really" compare, but once on the autobahn at around 4am I drove for about 30 minutes straight at 255km/h in my Mercedes AMG couple years ago, it was insane, but also one of the coolest things I have ever done. It was like 30 minutes of pure adrenaline, had to stop afterwards just to cool off.
- CobaltFire 4y agoDid ~255kph once over 20 years ago for about 30 minutes in, of all things, a tuned up first generation Isuzu Impulse (aka Piazza) [0] at 2AM on I-5 heading south out of the SF Bay. Blew up the turbo though, and had to limp it another 2 hours to get to my destination. I also got to learn how to replace the turbo and weld the manifold, since I'd cracked it. Still, amazing memory. Scary as heck, and to this day I'm surprised I didn't die. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Piazza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Piazza
- jansan 4y agoSo glad to see that Rimac seems to be doing well. They had great plans for the 2020 Geneva motor show, where the C_TWO (now Nevera) was supposed to be officially presented, but the show was one of the first major events canceled due to COVID-19, so I was a bit worried about their future. Looks like they made it!
- jdhn 4y agoPorsche, Volkswagen, and Rimac entered a joint venture where Bugatti was combined with Rimac [0]. Rimac (or is it Rimac-Bugatti now?) isn't going anywhere anytime soon. [0] https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/2021/07/Bugatti-Rimac.html https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/2021/07/Bugatti-Rimac.h...
- TacticalCoder 4y agoPorsche, once described as the "Hedge fund which happened to also make cars", took control of both Rimac and Bugatti during that deal: > Rimac will hold a 55 per cent share in the Bugatti Rimac joint venture, while Porsche will have a 45 per cent share. Porsche also holds a 24 per cent share in Rimac directly. Which means Porsche owns more than 50% of the Rimac-Bugatti joint venture, they did it on purpose. Porsche also recently spun off of VW (Porsche famously failed it's short squeeze on VW: they'd have acquired VW had the 2008 financial crisis not hit) and back then VW had to come to Porsche's rescue.
- gpderetta 4y agoIIRC Porsche-the-hedge-fund owned half of VW which owned Porsche-the-car-maker wholly. Porsche-the-car-maker was spun off, but I'm not sure who owns what now.
- Melting_Harps 4y ago> IIRC Porsche-the-hedge-fund owned half of VW which owned Porsche-the-car-maker wholly. Porsche-the-car-maker was spun off, but I'm not sure who owns what now. I worked for VAG during Diesel-gate, and it's only now after several years that I bothered to look into it's sordid History: it's like GoT, the innter family rivalry is the stuff that episodes of shows like GoT are made of. Between VW/Audi/POrsche are like decades long fights between cousins and wife-stealing etc... It's really all rather insane that on top of that VW was primarily a vapourware piece of propaganda created by Hitler for the emergence of the Nazi party: most people who bought them during the war never actually received one until years later after the war when the British took it over. Rimac is also mainly a proto-type company with a strong emphasis on being an OEM supplier of in house EV parts for those other divisions and has been focusing more and more on the supply chain side things since COVID; so congrats to the team in Zagreb for this momentous achievement!
- seydor 4y agoI thought it was Km/h
- _bax 4y agoHave you see some great innovation on EV motor in the washing machines? Same for the automotive.
- mrtksn 4y agoCare to expand on that?
- 1-6 4y agoYou can probably make a washing machine spin so fast that it'll pretty much dry the clothes out of the washer. Spinning a drum that fast would probably be a good lawsuit if anyone gets hurt though.
- Gordonjcp 4y agoCongratulations, you've just invented the spin dryer. https://www.montpellier-appliances.com/product-details/montpellier-msd2800w-3kg-spin-dryer/ https://www.montpellier-appliances.com/product-details/montp... You'd be amazed how much more water you can get out of things like towels with one of those. Chuck something light like a fleece or acrylic jumper in and it comes out dry enough to wear.
- germinalphrase 4y agoWhat’s the disadvantage here? Capacity?
- toss1 4y agoI'd venture that the main problem is that it requires care to run, you can't just toss stuff in, and you really can't have foolish teenagers deliberately putting a load all on one side to 'see what happens'. The load would need to be balanced unless it had impractically massive shielding or some kind of auto-balancing system. Without those, the centrifuge would create a big hazard to itself and anyone nearby. That said, I want one!
- oulipo 4y agoI'm not sure they understand that the whole point of electrification is to pair it with sustainability, ie not trying to do "the fastest car" which consumes more, but on the contrary to make smaller car that are better suited to cities
- kobalsky 4y agoluxury cars will exist in a world without gas stations too and, unlike a sport car and due to how electric motors work, this car is probably more efficient than a cheap electric car. if humanity were only about efficiency we would be eating soylent green.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago> luxury cars will exist in a world without gas stations too and, unlike a sport car and due to how electric motors work, this car is probably more efficient than a cheap electric car. Yup, this is one of the reasons I got a Model 3 Performance rather than a Nissan GT-R. Incredibly powerful ICEs end up being horribly inefficient. Having 500+ horsepower means getting 20 mpg while cruising. There's probably a limit, where having larger motors starts to lower efficiency, but at the ~450 hp level of a M3P, it isn't being hit. It'd be interesting to see the range on this 412 kph Nevera when it cruises at 120 kph (~75 mph).
- socialismisok 4y agoElectric cars are better than petrol cars for sustainability, but both are bad long term. While I generally feel fewer cars overall is the goal, incremental improvements to cars don't hurt. Electric cars have long had a reputation of being slow, golf cart like, and generally a silly idea. Tesla snapped that perception a bit, but built the idea that electric cars are for tech bros and bougie folks. Cars like this help break other reputational barriers to the adoption of EVs. Someone sees this and it puts to rest the idea that EVs are slow or ugly necessarily.
- audunw 4y agoRimac makes components for all kinds of EVs, including small sustainable ones. Their supercars are basically a research platform. It's where they push everything to the limit, which helps them learn how to squeeze out every bit of effiency from their technology. Efficiency is just as important to supercars as to small sustaniable city cars so much of what they learn is directly applicable. It's also a marketing stunt to sell their technology to other automakers. I think they perfectly understand the point of electrification.
- xiphias2 4y agoAs a comparision it's equivalent to the production car speed record in 2007: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_car_speed_record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_car_speed_record
- Jemm 4y agoWho cares. No really, for the average user; so what. We need affordable reasonable vehicles rather than bigger, faster, more luxurious.
- bischofs 4y agoPerformance vehicle engineering trickles down to low cost, consumer vehicles. Thermal, durability, controls, and everything else is pushed to the limits to understand how the vehicle subsystems perform from a first principle perspective. Engineers learn a lot from these vehicles.
- dahfizz 4y agoMost tech in modern cars comes from race cars. The DSG, DOHC, direct fuel injection, independent suspension, etc etc. Race cars are the development & staging environment for car manufacturers.
- hwillis 4y agoCan't it be cool on its own merit? Is it not, at least, good to normalize EVs as as good or better on all levels? Is it wrong to make an EV to be fast? I mean, take your reasoning one step farther- it would be better to have fewer cars, so who cares about anything that isn't a bus or a self-driving taxi? The only cars that should exist are the ones that can't be replaced with more efficient alternatives. For instance, cars purely for recreation, like racecars. Those cars should be made into EVs. Like this.
- onion2k 4y ago412kph (258mph) That's some slightly dodgy math. 412kph is 256mph according to my conversion, and Google, and Wolfram. More interestingly, that's approximately Mach 0.3.
- hnuser123456 4y agoThe article hints they picked 1/3 the speed of sound as the target.
- rootusrootus 4y agoSounds like an unofficial record, yes? Generally, real world records require running the top speed in both directions within a set amount of time.
- Tepix 4y agoIt's surprising that they didn't go for a more aerodynamically looking shape.
- js2 4y ago> 412kph (258mph) 412 kph is 256 mph, not 258 mph. To go any faster in the U.S. they're going to need another byte.
- sbayeta 4y agoHave my vote