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With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid. Excess mortality is higher now than

With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid. Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-higher-now-than-during-covid/ https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-hi... There is evidence of statistical lies perpetuated to benefit big pharma. - The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing - Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of death based on those same broken tests. - Influenza, pneumonia magically took a couple of years off during Covid - PCR testing cycles at extreme highs When all of the broken testing was finally admitted and discontinued, were the previous misclassified deaths reinvestigated or reclassified? Of course not. The entire pool of data of Covid deaths has been poisoned. There is no interest in accuracy. But there does seem to be extreme interest in protecting the liability and profits of the pharma companies that coerced unproven, untested, ineffective "cures" that do not prevent infection, spread, or reduce symptoms.

AustinDev 4y ago
Just a meta comment. This exact comment 1 year ago would have been downvoted until it was dead. However, much of the evidence for this was available at that time. I sadly think we'll continue to see excess deaths climb over the coming years particularly in the US. I'm glad I only got the J&J shot way back when it came out and avoided 3+ rounds of Pfizer or Moderna primary and boosters.
- calculatte 4y ago
  It seems the only difference between conspiracy theory and accepted fact is about 18 months now.
  - dzader 4y ago
    you need to get off the internet for a few hours a day buddy
  - Izkata 4y ago
    Depending on the exact claim it's often more like 12 months. A few even made it down to 6 months (affecting periods, for example) and I think one was as low as 2 months.
hedora 4y ago
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- calculatte 4y ago
  Go ahead and ignore it, because that isn't what I said or implied at all.
  - hedora 4y ago
    Well, then how do you explain the discrepancy between all available data and the claims you are making?
neuronexmachina 4y ago
> Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid Interesting analysis of the UK's excess mortality published in the BMJ: https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o2524 https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o2524 > Surprisingly, mortality rates in 2022 for most of the 10 leading “underlying” causes of death such as heart disease, stroke, and lung and colorectal cancer have been similar to previous years, or lower than expected. An exception is the rate for “symptoms, signs, and ill defined conditions” (mostly deaths resulting from old age and frailty) which has consistently been higher than expected and also caused the most excess deaths, but not enough to explain the overall excess.4 > However, the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities’ (OHID) analysis of deaths by “any mention” on the death certificate—rather than just the “underlying cause” of death—shows a substantial excess, in particular, of deaths from cardiovascular diseases and diabetes since April,6 prompting an investigation by the Department of Health and Social Care. Growing evidence suggests that covid-19 increases the risk of cardiovascular problems even months after infection,7 which could in part be driving excess deaths. Covid-19 itself remains the sixth leading cause of death, causing 200-400 deaths weekly—a reminder that this virus remains a threat for the foreseeable future. > Another possibility is that people may not be receiving the care they need from an NHS that was already overstretched pre-pandemic and is now coping with unprecedented backlogs of care and pressures on emergency services. This “crisis” situation has an adverse impact on all patients, but a lack of timely care can be especially life threatening for people with acute cardiovascular problems. > ONS analysis shows about 3300 excess deaths occurred during the heatwaves experienced in England and Wales between June and August, mostly in older people.8 > ONS also notes that excess deaths can occur following periods when deaths were lower than average, ie, “mortality displacement.”5 Could some of the excess deaths since April reflect the lower ASMRs in early 2022? I'm also curious about why there's such a difference in relative excess death rates between the US and UK. Currently in the US the weekly death rates are far below what they were in 2020-2021: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
skyde 4y ago
what do you mean by "than during Covid"? are you trying to imply covid have been eradicated ?
- dekhn 4y ago
  They mean the period from roughly March 2020 to ... hmm, about Omicron.
the_why_of_y 4y ago
The numbers were cooked particularly badly in Russia. There are 2 different government agencies reporting Covid deaths and excess deaths, and their numbers differ by a factor of 7; meanwhile many deaths are reported as caused by "viral pneumonia". Meanwhile for the US and European countries, Covid death and excess death numbers are pretty close. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/world/europe/covid-russia-death.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/world/europe/covid-russia... > Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid When did Covid disappear? This year, every week at least 2000 people died of Covid in the US. > - Influenza, pneumonia magically took a couple of years off during Covid Have you heard of mask mandates? How do you think they affect the spread of Influenza?
pvaldes 4y ago
> The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing Tools developed in one tenth of the normal time aren't perfect. Hardly surprising. If they detected covid most of the cases when people had it, they work. Much better than having no tools at all. > Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of death based on those same broken tests. It does not matter if you die directly by a disease or by the sequels of the disease. Lets assume that people were not dying really from covid. This still leads us with the problem that people were dying massively and more often than in normal years so we have a second hidden agent killing people that nobody found. How do we explain it? > Influenza, pneumonia magically took a couple of years off during Covid Easily explainable when everybody was using masks and social distance in those two years. People remaining at home don't pick influenza at the same rate than people in a concert > PCR testing cycles at extreme highs I'm unsure about what you want say with that. PCR testing needs to chase an organism that is mutating fast. They need to change at a high pace. Lab chemicals and reactives having an expiring date is not rare > and profits of the pharma companies that coerced unproven, Green card granted by all regulatory agencies, so proven > untested, overtested, the entire planet toke it one year before the first antivacs > ineffective "cures" that do not prevent infection vaccines never claimed to prevent infection. The makers repeated it again and again. > [not prevent] spread About spread. Too litle, too late and one step forward, two backward. Negationists and agents actively promoted the disease, sabotaged healthcare and created chaos. People was videotaped deliberately coughing in the face of other after tearing off their masks. The same people were videotaped later grooming the masses to commit a coup. Caught trying to sell a computer stolen from the capitol to Russian agents. None of them where found linked with pharma companies (and is very unlikely that a pharma company would lobby for convincing people to reject pharma products). Not really fair to blame pharma while people were sabotaging the control. >, or reduce symptoms. This is simply false. Is a proven fact that vaccines reduced symptoms and saved people. Just take a look at the statistical data. Is proven empirically that most of the zillions of people that received the vaccines didn't developed serious collateral effects. Is proven than the group that received vaccines had a lower mortality than the group that rejected them. There are dozens of notorious antivacs videotaped bragging about the "inoffensive" disease, actively trying to caught it, doing everything wrong on purpose... and realizing too late that they will were dying from covid. I agree that the main cause of death here should be stupidity, not covid.
TheBigSalad 4y ago
It looks slightly higher now, but within a margin of error. Also Covid still exists and is still killing people and didn't exist 5 years ago.

AustinDev 4y ago

Just a meta comment. This exact comment 1 year ago would have been downvoted until it was dead. However, much of the evidence for this was available at that time. I sadly think we'll continue to see excess deaths climb over the coming years particularly in the US. I'm glad I only got the J&J shot way back when it came out and avoided 3+ rounds of Pfizer or Moderna primary and boosters.

calculatte 4y ago
It seems the only difference between conspiracy theory and accepted fact is about 18 months now.
- dzader 4y ago
  you need to get off the internet for a few hours a day buddy
- Izkata 4y ago
  Depending on the exact claim it's often more like 12 months. A few even made it down to 6 months (affecting periods, for example) and I think one was as low as 2 months.

hedora 4y ago

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calculatte 4y ago
Go ahead and ignore it, because that isn't what I said or implied at all.
- hedora 4y ago
  Well, then how do you explain the discrepancy between all available data and the claims you are making?

neuronexmachina 4y ago

> Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid Interesting analysis of the UK's excess mortality published in the BMJ: https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o2524 https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o2524 > Surprisingly, mortality rates in 2022 for most of the 10 leading “underlying” causes of death such as heart disease, stroke, and lung and colorectal cancer have been similar to previous years, or lower than expected. An exception is the rate for “symptoms, signs, and ill defined conditions” (mostly deaths resulting from old age and frailty) which has consistently been higher than expected and also caused the most excess deaths, but not enough to explain the overall excess.4 > However, the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities’ (OHID) analysis of deaths by “any mention” on the death certificate—rather than just the “underlying cause” of death—shows a substantial excess, in particular, of deaths from cardiovascular diseases and diabetes since April,6 prompting an investigation by the Department of Health and Social Care. Growing evidence suggests that covid-19 increases the risk of cardiovascular problems even months after infection,7 which could in part be driving excess deaths. Covid-19 itself remains the sixth leading cause of death, causing 200-400 deaths weekly—a reminder that this virus remains a threat for the foreseeable future. > Another possibility is that people may not be receiving the care they need from an NHS that was already overstretched pre-pandemic and is now coping with unprecedented backlogs of care and pressures on emergency services. This “crisis” situation has an adverse impact on all patients, but a lack of timely care can be especially life threatening for people with acute cardiovascular problems. > ONS analysis shows about 3300 excess deaths occurred during the heatwaves experienced in England and Wales between June and August, mostly in older people.8 > ONS also notes that excess deaths can occur following periods when deaths were lower than average, ie, “mortality displacement.”5 Could some of the excess deaths since April reflect the lower ASMRs in early 2022? I'm also curious about why there's such a difference in relative excess death rates between the US and UK. Currently in the US the weekly death rates are far below what they were in 2020-2021: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

skyde 4y ago

what do you mean by "than during Covid"? are you trying to imply covid have been eradicated ?

dekhn 4y ago
They mean the period from roughly March 2020 to ... hmm, about Omicron.

the_why_of_y 4y ago

The numbers were cooked particularly badly in Russia. There are 2 different government agencies reporting Covid deaths and excess deaths, and their numbers differ by a factor of 7; meanwhile many deaths are reported as caused by "viral pneumonia". Meanwhile for the US and European countries, Covid death and excess death numbers are pretty close. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/world/europe/covid-russia-death.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/world/europe/covid-russia... > Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid When did Covid disappear? This year, every week at least 2000 people died of Covid in the US. > - Influenza, pneumonia magically took a couple of years off during Covid Have you heard of mask mandates? How do you think they affect the spread of Influenza?

pvaldes 4y ago

> The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing Tools developed in one tenth of the normal time aren't perfect. Hardly surprising. If they detected covid most of the cases when people had it, they work. Much better than having no tools at all. > Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of death based on those same broken tests. It does not matter if you die directly by a disease or by the sequels of the disease. Lets assume that people were not dying really from covid. This still leads us with the problem that people were dying massively and more often than in normal years so we have a second hidden agent killing people that nobody found. How do we explain it? > Influenza, pneumonia magically took a couple of years off during Covid Easily explainable when everybody was using masks and social distance in those two years. People remaining at home don't pick influenza at the same rate than people in a concert > PCR testing cycles at extreme highs I'm unsure about what you want say with that. PCR testing needs to chase an organism that is mutating fast. They need to change at a high pace. Lab chemicals and reactives having an expiring date is not rare > and profits of the pharma companies that coerced unproven, Green card granted by all regulatory agencies, so proven > untested, overtested, the entire planet toke it one year before the first antivacs > ineffective "cures" that do not prevent infection vaccines never claimed to prevent infection. The makers repeated it again and again. > [not prevent] spread About spread. Too litle, too late and one step forward, two backward. Negationists and agents actively promoted the disease, sabotaged healthcare and created chaos. People was videotaped deliberately coughing in the face of other after tearing off their masks. The same people were videotaped later grooming the masses to commit a coup. Caught trying to sell a computer stolen from the capitol to Russian agents. None of them where found linked with pharma companies (and is very unlikely that a pharma company would lobby for convincing people to reject pharma products). Not really fair to blame pharma while people were sabotaging the control. >, or reduce symptoms. This is simply false. Is a proven fact that vaccines reduced symptoms and saved people. Just take a look at the statistical data. Is proven empirically that most of the zillions of people that received the vaccines didn't developed serious collateral effects. Is proven than the group that received vaccines had a lower mortality than the group that rejected them. There are dozens of notorious antivacs videotaped bragging about the "inoffensive" disease, actively trying to caught it, doing everything wrong on purpose... and realizing too late that they will were dying from covid. I agree that the main cause of death here should be stupidity, not covid.

TheBigSalad 4y ago

It looks slightly higher now, but within a margin of error. Also Covid still exists and is still killing people and didn't exist 5 years ago.