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Is it possible that you're not passing a DEI filter? A lot of companies are running into trouble for not meeting their diversity goals, especially bumping into

Is it possible that you're not passing a DEI filter? A lot of companies are running into trouble for not meeting their diversity goals, especially bumping into the end of the year.

jimbob45 4y ago
Is there any reason not to tick 'African American' and 'Female' on those forms? Surely they can't prove anything, right?
- houstonn 4y ago
  34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application 48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American 3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/57...
  - notpushkin 4y ago
    How does this work? Surely you can't be white, say you're black and not get caught. Is that data perhaps anonymized?
    - jimbob45 4y ago
      How would they catch you? It's very possible to be of African descent and have white skin. Are they going to DNA test you?
      - frontman1988 4y ago
        Does it also work if you say you identify as a female even though you are a male biologically?
        kube-system 4y ago
        Gender identity is frequently visible. I don't think many people are going to fraudulently represent their gender identity for a misguided chance at a job.
        notpushkin 4y ago
        Well, I can imagine that people who aren't “proper” trans but are comfortable with, say, crossdressing start doing it in order to get benefits. Can't say I'm against that (more femboys IRL :^) and also this is on the queer-ish side so they probably still should get some preference if hiring process does take gender identity into account already.
        missedthecue 4y ago
        True but I can't imagine a company calling someone on it. Too explosive of a topic.
        HideousKojima 4y ago
        If it doesn't yet then give it 5 years tops.
- fdschoeneman 4y ago
  I do not believe you could be charged with a crime, no.
- dvngnt_ 4y ago
  there's more evidence to support that actually being african american will hurt you during job interviews
mannymanman 4y ago
Companies have diversity goals? I thought that the diversity related info wasn't used in hiring, as is stated in all the job application forms
- deleted 4y ago
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- Der_Einzige 4y ago
  LOL Intel pays managers bonuses for hiring people that are "underrepresented minorities". It's apparently totally legal.
- winrid 4y ago
  Yes, they do. Diversity and Inclusion Initiatives they are called.... :)
John23832 4y ago
There’s no proof of this. Don't throw that bait out there with nothing to back it up.
- fdschoeneman 4y ago
  Why not? Do you seriously believe racism is never a thing that happens in hiring? Because it is, just as it is in academia. At least some of the time. Instead of shaming people for pointing out the real possibility that racism may be at play, consider acknowledging that it may be at play but that there's nothing the op can do about it and he or she should just keep plugging away. It's a numbers game, with or without racism, and you are not helping anyone by dismissing what is entirely fair speculation.
  - commandlinefan 4y ago
    > the real possibility that racism may be at play I mean... isn't that the actual justification for DEI policies in the first place?
    - dementis 4y ago
      DEI policies are not necessarily also anti-racism policies. The devil is in the details as they say. This is taken from CNBC interview with Lybra Clemons(Chief Diversity, Inclusion and Belonging Officer at Twilio Inc.) "This success, as well as Clemons’ acclaim for the company, is owed to Twilio’s commitment to becoming “anti-racist.” According to Clemons, part of the difference between DE&I and anti-racism is self-awareness. “Right before I joined, Twilio said, we’re on this journey to become anti-racist. And I think we were all like, what does that even mean,” she tells CNBC Make It. “I think a lot of people thought it was just a more elevated term for diversity, equity inclusion. But as we’ve started to go through the process, we’re learning that anti-racism is different. DE&I are still very foundational and fundamental to work, but anti-racism is an active term where you are personally responsible. This is about self-awareness and taking full accountability of who you are. We are actively promoting equity and racial justice through consistent, deliberate decisions that we make.”" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/11/the-difference-between-dei-and-anti-racism-at-work-according-to-twilios-chief-of-diversity.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/11/the-difference-between-dei-a... Same page archived https://archive.ph/u92e4#selection-737.0-745.506 https://archive.ph/u92e4#selection-737.0-745.506
hotdamnson 4y ago
I don't think that 'normal' tech / consulting / software house companies have those. It's more of a big corp thing.
anon50118810 4y ago
OP here. I'm very pro-diversity but leaving that aside, my experience on the hiring side is that there is a huge pipeline problem of even getting resumes from "diverse" candidates. Any company applying some kind of theoretical "filter" must not be in a rush to hire at all given how relatively rare these candidates are, in which case they wouldn't be likely to hire qualified "non-diverse" candidates without this "filter," either. So it doesn't really matter either way.
Nifty3929 4y ago
"A lot of companies are running into trouble for not meeting their diversity goals, especially bumping into the end of the year." Any examples you'd like to share?

Is it possible that you're not passing a DEI filter? A lot of companies are running into trouble for not meeting their diversity goals, especially bumping into the end of the year.

jimbob45 4y ago

Is there any reason not to tick 'African American' and 'Female' on those forms? Surely they can't prove anything, right?

houstonn 4y ago
34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application 48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American 3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/57...
- notpushkin 4y ago
  How does this work? Surely you can't be white, say you're black and not get caught. Is that data perhaps anonymized?
  - jimbob45 4y ago
    How would they catch you? It's very possible to be of African descent and have white skin. Are they going to DNA test you?
    - frontman1988 4y ago
      Does it also work if you say you identify as a female even though you are a male biologically?
      - kube-system 4y ago
        Gender identity is frequently visible. I don't think many people are going to fraudulently represent their gender identity for a misguided chance at a job.
        notpushkin 4y ago
        Well, I can imagine that people who aren't “proper” trans but are comfortable with, say, crossdressing start doing it in order to get benefits. Can't say I'm against that (more femboys IRL :^) and also this is on the queer-ish side so they probably still should get some preference if hiring process does take gender identity into account already.
        missedthecue 4y ago
        True but I can't imagine a company calling someone on it. Too explosive of a topic.
      - HideousKojima 4y ago
        If it doesn't yet then give it 5 years tops.
fdschoeneman 4y ago
I do not believe you could be charged with a crime, no.
dvngnt_ 4y ago
there's more evidence to support that actually being african american will hurt you during job interviews

mannymanman 4y ago

Companies have diversity goals? I thought that the diversity related info wasn't used in hiring, as is stated in all the job application forms

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Der_Einzige 4y ago
LOL Intel pays managers bonuses for hiring people that are "underrepresented minorities". It's apparently totally legal.
winrid 4y ago
Yes, they do. Diversity and Inclusion Initiatives they are called.... :)

John23832 4y ago

There’s no proof of this. Don't throw that bait out there with nothing to back it up.

fdschoeneman 4y ago
Why not? Do you seriously believe racism is never a thing that happens in hiring? Because it is, just as it is in academia. At least some of the time. Instead of shaming people for pointing out the real possibility that racism may be at play, consider acknowledging that it may be at play but that there's nothing the op can do about it and he or she should just keep plugging away. It's a numbers game, with or without racism, and you are not helping anyone by dismissing what is entirely fair speculation.
- commandlinefan 4y ago
  > the real possibility that racism may be at play I mean... isn't that the actual justification for DEI policies in the first place?
  - dementis 4y ago
    DEI policies are not necessarily also anti-racism policies. The devil is in the details as they say. This is taken from CNBC interview with Lybra Clemons(Chief Diversity, Inclusion and Belonging Officer at Twilio Inc.) "This success, as well as Clemons’ acclaim for the company, is owed to Twilio’s commitment to becoming “anti-racist.” According to Clemons, part of the difference between DE&I and anti-racism is self-awareness. “Right before I joined, Twilio said, we’re on this journey to become anti-racist. And I think we were all like, what does that even mean,” she tells CNBC Make It. “I think a lot of people thought it was just a more elevated term for diversity, equity inclusion. But as we’ve started to go through the process, we’re learning that anti-racism is different. DE&I are still very foundational and fundamental to work, but anti-racism is an active term where you are personally responsible. This is about self-awareness and taking full accountability of who you are. We are actively promoting equity and racial justice through consistent, deliberate decisions that we make.”" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/11/the-difference-between-dei-and-anti-racism-at-work-according-to-twilios-chief-of-diversity.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/11/the-difference-between-dei-a... Same page archived https://archive.ph/u92e4#selection-737.0-745.506 https://archive.ph/u92e4#selection-737.0-745.506

hotdamnson 4y ago

I don't think that 'normal' tech / consulting / software house companies have those. It's more of a big corp thing.

anon50118810 4y ago

OP here. I'm very pro-diversity but leaving that aside, my experience on the hiring side is that there is a huge pipeline problem of even getting resumes from "diverse" candidates. Any company applying some kind of theoretical "filter" must not be in a rush to hire at all given how relatively rare these candidates are, in which case they wouldn't be likely to hire qualified "non-diverse" candidates without this "filter," either. So it doesn't really matter either way.

Nifty3929 4y ago

"A lot of companies are running into trouble for not meeting their diversity goals, especially bumping into the end of the year." Any examples you'd like to share?