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If BEVs won't go down with those prices, you can be sure they will fail in same way as biofuels did in EU - slowly forgotten.

zaroth 4y ago
I think this is just head in the sand thinking. BEVs are here to stay and are indisputably the future. EVs are already cheaper than comparable ICE vehicles in terms of TCO, and they can be made cheaper than comparable ICE vehicles even up-front. But more importantly, gasoline will only ever get more expensive. The expertise to maintain extremely complex and efficient gasoline engines will only get more expensive. The taxes on burning gasoline will only get more expensive. And as volume falls, gas stations have to spread their overhead across fewer gallons sold, only exacerbating the price increase at the pump. All the while electricity will only get less expensive. Many homeowners will choose to make a small upfront investment in panels and produce more energy onsite than they will ever consume, making their EVs even less expensive per mile. Real-world advances in battery tech and smart grid infrastructure will allow the car to play double-duty as a backup power source for the home, and even triple duty a profit-generating part of the electrical grid. The only limiting factor for BEVs is charging infrastructure. If you have a home you can charge at, and particularly if you have a roof you can put solar panels on, then your next car, or the car after that, will absolutely be an BEV. For those without home charging, we will either need incredible public charging infrastructure, or perhaps the ability for the car to go get itself a charge on its own in the middle of the day/night.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  Well Energiewende is making energy more expensive despite the promises about cheap energy. Renewables thanks to the fact that you need to keep baseline via fossil plant (gas or coal), is making electric energy more expensive. The fact that you are creating more demand for electric energy through mandated BEVs is making electric energy more expensive and BEVs unappealing. There is no reason for electric energy to be cheaper, it will be only more expensive. Point and case: It is already more expensive to charge on Fast DC chargers than take gas for ICE.
api 4y ago
BEVs and biofuels are not even comparable at all. For starters, biofuel is always at least as expensive as oil-based fuel if not more. Electricity is almost always dramatically cheaper except for maybe those few areas that get electricity from oil.

zaroth 4y ago

I think this is just head in the sand thinking. BEVs are here to stay and are indisputably the future. EVs are already cheaper than comparable ICE vehicles in terms of TCO, and they can be made cheaper than comparable ICE vehicles even up-front. But more importantly, gasoline will only ever get more expensive. The expertise to maintain extremely complex and efficient gasoline engines will only get more expensive. The taxes on burning gasoline will only get more expensive. And as volume falls, gas stations have to spread their overhead across fewer gallons sold, only exacerbating the price increase at the pump. All the while electricity will only get less expensive. Many homeowners will choose to make a small upfront investment in panels and produce more energy onsite than they will ever consume, making their EVs even less expensive per mile. Real-world advances in battery tech and smart grid infrastructure will allow the car to play double-duty as a backup power source for the home, and even triple duty a profit-generating part of the electrical grid. The only limiting factor for BEVs is charging infrastructure. If you have a home you can charge at, and particularly if you have a roof you can put solar panels on, then your next car, or the car after that, will absolutely be an BEV. For those without home charging, we will either need incredible public charging infrastructure, or perhaps the ability for the car to go get itself a charge on its own in the middle of the day/night.

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
Well Energiewende is making energy more expensive despite the promises about cheap energy. Renewables thanks to the fact that you need to keep baseline via fossil plant (gas or coal), is making electric energy more expensive. The fact that you are creating more demand for electric energy through mandated BEVs is making electric energy more expensive and BEVs unappealing. There is no reason for electric energy to be cheaper, it will be only more expensive. Point and case: It is already more expensive to charge on Fast DC chargers than take gas for ICE.

api 4y ago

BEVs and biofuels are not even comparable at all. For starters, biofuel is always at least as expensive as oil-based fuel if not more. Electricity is almost always dramatically cheaper except for maybe those few areas that get electricity from oil.