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Ask HN: Is there a cloud music library that doesn't keep deleting my music?

92 points by neya 4y ago

Long store: I purchased a bunch of audio CDs and Apple Music (the Mac app) offered to rip it and save it into my iCloud library. I was very happy and saw to it that all the audio files were uploaded. I even saved it into a new playlist. I also have the paid Apple Music subscription which I pay for monthly. In just an hour, iTunes Match (a feature of the paid Apple Music subscription) tried to match the songs and deleted almost all of them and just left 3 songs in my playlist. I tried it a couple of times and this was still the result. Apparently some songs aren't licensed for my location/country and/or aren't available in the catalog of Apple music for my country and therefore they were all deleted except the ones that Apple already has in their catalog. That got me thinking - Is there a reliable paid service where I could just upload MY music I legally purchased and they wouldn't be deleted just because of some stupid location based licensing or some other reason? Spotify is no better as my songs in their library have disappeared a couple of times as well. Thank you in advance.

liveoneggs 4y ago
s3
chunk_waffle 4y ago
I had an album in my library mysteriously vanish from Google Play, a service I had used for years. So I switched to Apple Music. A few months later, the same album vanished as well as a single. Possibly the final straw was when I wanted to purchase an album that existed in iTunes, but only in the iTunes "store" of another country. Since then, I've just went back to maintaining my own library. I purchase lossless music from Bandcamp and Ototoy. I also rip CDs. I had been importing my files into VLC on iOS but recently switched to Sailfish and just copy my files onto an SD card. For streaming I setup my own instance of Koel. Does it suck to maintain almost 200GB of audio files? Yes. Have I lost a single track since doing so? No.
- Galicarnax 4y ago
  > Does it suck to maintain almost 200GB of audio files? Yes. In what way does is suck? I have about 1TB of audio files on local disks, which I manage with beets + mpd. No troubles at all.
  - doubled112 4y ago
    Once they're there, they're there. I don't know what ongoing maintenance there would be after the initial import. Backups? Automate them. Integrity checks? Use a better file system.
  - whartung 4y ago
    It sucks having to maintain the drives, prevent the bit rot, restoring them from backup when the drive(s) fail, paying for, installing, maintaining the technology black hole that you fall down into trying to mitigate all of the above from happening in the first place. Right now, for me, its an external SSD drive and I have a Blaze backup that, in theory, when it works, when it hasn't decided to not backup for a week, preserves it all up in the cloud for me, while my Time Machine manages my main system drive locally. I dread the day I'll have to restore all of this when the inevitable disaster strikes, but I SHOULD be protected (knock on wood).
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      > It sucks having to maintain the drives, prevent the bit rot, restoring them from backup when the drive(s) fail It fits on one drive, so you can do all that with a few minutes of effort once every two or three years. Or just when you change drives, even less often. > paying for, installing, maintaining the technology black hole that you fall down into trying to mitigate all of the above from happening in the first place. Is that more than having a backup? You'd better be doing that anyway. You could go fancy and set up Z-RAID but if you're really inclined to do that you'd probably already have it set up for your main files and then dumping the music on top is near zero effort.
  - chunk_waffle 4y ago
    > In what way does is suck? There is a non-zero amount of "care and feeding" that goes into it. For example: Moving them around and re-indexing. I recently copied my library onto an SD card for a new phone, which had a new media player, which then had to re-index them all. As I add new songs to the main dataset, I'll have to sync them over to the phone. I also manage a Koel instance so I can stream the files from wherever I want. But I like the ability to have them offline as well. And Koel is great but, if I ever decide to move to another utility I'll probably lose playlists or have to convert them over. Ripping CDs, then moving files over to the main dataset takes time, not a lot but it is a thing. Also I have no shortage of CDs with incorrect metadata in the CD databases or don't exist in the CD databases. Or often there are multiple matches and I have to find the right one. Scanning the CD album art which I've done for some rarer albums in which I could not find artwork for online (or what I did find was blurry and over compressed) Managing metadata: For example, I've some CDs that were ripped as "TALKING HEADS", others as "Talking Heads". It's a little more painful with Japanese character sets e.g. "Tatsuro Yamashita" vs "山下達郎". If I purchase albums from providers like BandCamp or Ototoy, I then need to make sure the metadata matches what I've decided to go with. I use ZFS with redundancy, and take regular snapshots but I also make occasional backups to external drives but I could also use something like S3 as well. This is really a hobby at this point, not a convenience. With a streaming provider you fork over a few bucks a month and listen to whatever they have in their library.
- sschueller 4y ago
  "Does it suck to maintain almost 200GB of audio files?" Having a song silently removed from your "collection" after you discovered it on a streaming service and because it is streaming you only marked but don't remember the name is the most infuriating sucking thing ever. Ever had a song you heard a long time ago and you never knew it's name then one day you find it? It's a gem, and then Google takes it away from you and you don't know the name and can't ever listen to it again. It's lost again...
PaulHoule 4y ago
Not cloud but I recently bought one of these https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/248440-REG/Sony_CDPCX355.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/248440-REG/Sony_CDPCX... on Ebay, connected it to my home theater through a TOSLINK cable, and I've been loading it up with DTS encoded 5.1 discs. Also I got into the minidisc hobby https://www.minidisc.wiki/ https://www.minidisc.wiki/ Like cryptocurrency, cloud music always ends in tears.
theandrewbailey 4y ago
Sometimes, you gotta do things yourself. My music library is a bunch of tagged files in a large music folder. I set up a Funkwhale[0] instance for myself, but I rarely use it. I mostly play transcoded files on my phone, tablet, or MP3 player (Sandisk Sansa with Rockbox). [0] https://funkwhale.audio/ https://funkwhale.audio/
- tweetle_beetle 4y ago
  Funkwhale is a really nice project. OP asked for a reliable paid service, which most comments about just using S3 don't cover. Luckily, unlike many open source projects, there are a couple of (niche) managed service providers for it: - https://cloud68.co/instances/funkwhale https://cloud68.co/instances/funkwhale - https://weingaertner-it.de https://weingaertner-it.de
  - dublinben 4y ago
    Many of the providers of managed Plex services will also offer audio streaming apps, like Funkwhale, Subsonic, etc. You can hit any price point you want from $5/month and up, with much more storage than those two particular providers.
snarf21 4y ago
I don't think any company would ever get into that space. RIAA (etc) will come after them for not verifying that each user has a license for everything song uploaded. The best the community could probably do is have a 1-click AWS instance that is already setup for running your own streaming server and then you just push your music up there. Could even have a lightweight open-source mobile apps to use the APIs of this server.
- capableweb 4y ago
  > I don't think any company would ever get into that space. RIAA (etc) will come after them for not verifying that each user has a license for everything song uploaded Why should that matter? As long as you're not making songs uploaded by one user available for another user to listen to without them also uploading the same song, it's fair usage. You're allowed to store the bytes wherever you want, it's the (re)distribution that is illegal.
  - snarf21 4y ago
    Read about the company Aereo. That should have been legal too under fair use. The argument will be that this fictional company isn't licensed to be a transmitter because they are transmitting unlicensed content. YOU can store your bytes wherever YOU want. This would be someone else storing your bytes for you. You could get around it by using Dropbox or something but if you want a good streaming music system/app/experience, then you are locking into "knowing" that it is music, not just a user's files are a user's files.
  - tssva 4y ago
    The RIAA has a very different take on that and no music service wants to get involved in an expensive protracted legal battle against the RIAA which it is very unclear you would actually win.
  - kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
    This isn't an application of fair use. That doesn't allow you to make bulk copies of media with impunity. Lack of distribution only reduces the damages that can be claimed. For audio this is covered under the format shifting permission provided by the AHRA.
ChilledTonic 4y ago
I've been using Plex for this purpose and it's been great. I self-host it on a NAS server, but I'm noticing a number of consumer products coming out with the server pre-installed (Namely the NVIDIA Shield). If you're willing to pursue the self-hosted root, there are loads of options beyond just Plex: https://jellyfin.org/ https://jellyfin.org/ https://funkwhale.audio/ https://funkwhale.audio/
- pimeys 4y ago
  Plex with Plexamp might be right now the best music streaming setup for music you own. Works great, and does stuff like encoding to 128 kbps Opus if using a connection with limited data. I'd like to add Roon and Roon ARC to the list. Some people seem to like it a lot, but they do not support FreeBSD for their server, meaning it's quite tricky to install to my NAS... https://roonlabs.com/ https://roonlabs.com/
  - pbronez 4y ago
    Yup, Roon is great. They just a big 2.0 release that improved mobile streaming support.
- IE6 4y ago
  I did this as soon as google music transitioned to youtube music and I saw how bad the experience is. Extremely easy to get up!
ageitgey 4y ago
This used to be a really common service about 10-12 years ago. Amazon, Apple, etc, all offered 'digital lockers' where you could upload your songs and stream them. These are no longer popular, so not many services are doing this anymore. It's such a wasteland that Wikipedia has a page for closed services [1] A few small services like medialeap.com still exist, but it is anyone's guess how long they will stick around or how good they are. But I guess you could try that. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_music_lockers#Former_or_defunct_services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_music_loc...
- yardie 4y ago
  This doesn't appear to be mentioned in their Wikipedia history, but Spotify also started as a digital locker/music matching. You would install the client and point it to your iTunes library and it would build the online playlist from that. 4 years of Spotify pivots is missing from their[0] Wikipedia page (2006-2010). I signed up in 2007 and stopped using once I got annoyed with them removing songs from my playlist. They then pivoted to music streaming subscriptions, with the recording industry becoming a "partner". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotify#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotify#History
arc-in-space 4y ago
Your hard drive
johnthuss 4y ago
Youtube Music (which replaced Google Play Music) allows you upload your own library of songs. The app UI makes it fairly difficult to find them and play them, but it does work. If you can tolerate the app's UI, that's one way to go.
bayindirh 4y ago
Buy a PCloud subscription. Upload your music, mount over webdav or rclone and enjoy.
Liquix 4y ago
If you're willing to check out self-hosting, Navidrome is fast, slick, and under active development. It provides a Spotify-like experience from your local collection and is compatible with dozens of clients for different platforms. https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome
- jasonjayr 4y ago
  I'll second navidrome -- moved to this after airsonic seemingly slowed down/stopped development. I'm using DSub on my android phone to get a nice mobile player, which also sync's tracks locally to the phone if I wander into an area with low or no signal. Navidrome being compatible with the Subsonic API means there are several players on all platforms that can hook into it.
- mod 4y ago
  Is there an option to download to the local device, too? I drive through areas with no service for a few hours per week.
  - JustSomeNobody 4y ago
    If you use a *sonic app, you can cache locally, yes.
wazoox 4y ago
That's the price of convenience. Either you have your own storage (preferably on hardware you own, such as a home NAS) or you have the convenience. You won't have both. My nextcloud server hosts my music. It doesn't host anything that I didn't buy, but I'm pretty sure the music I once bought won't disappear...
- dvngnt_ 4y ago
  i use google drive and use drive sync on my android to push updates
User23 4y ago
No. That's the risk you take with a cloud service. Even if they don't do it now, if they ever become popular enough they eventually will.
knaik94 4y ago
Youtube Music actually does have a option to upload up to 100,000 songs. This was one of the biggest selling points of Google Play Music and the feature was mostly carried over. The difference now is that uploaded files aren't automatically added to the library, they live in a different section. You can make a playlist that includes uploaded songs and songs on youtube music, but the song suggestion/radio feature does not combine them. But there are no limits to listening like you experienced with Apple music. Youtube music premium can be bought standalone or bundled with youtube premium. The other alternative is self hosting, plex and plexamp are popular. https://support.google.com/youtubemusic/thread/52908732/faq-uploading-your-personal-library-to-youtube-music?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtubemusic/thread/52908732/faq-...
- addaon 4y ago
  The other concern here is that, as an Alphabet product, you need to try to guess when it's going to be canceled, which basically means having an alternative already on day one of use. And if you have an alternative, why use the product that's going to be canceled?
  - senbrow 4y ago
    I would be very surprised if user uploads aren't shelved in YouTube music within the next 2-3 years. It's purely a loss for them financially and is a giant thorn architecturally for YouTube's backends since it's very different rights- and lifecycle- wise than their other content. They pretty much only brought it over from GPM because they were worried about the user outrage if they didn't, so as fewer people care about curating music files they will eventually decide pulling the plug is worth it.
- shrikant 4y ago
  (You have an Indian-sounding handle, so you might identify with this problem!) I'd uploaded all of my offline library to Google Play Music, back when it was relatively easier to do so, and before it became YouTube Music. Unfortunately the service seemed to do some sort of acoustic fingerprinting to make uploads more efficient, and I ended up with the wrong language versions of several of my film soundtrack songs! Loads of them got randomly converted from Tamil -> Telugu, Tamil -> Hindi, Hindi -> Telugu, Hindi -> Tamil, etc.
KAdot 4y ago
I ended up uploading my music library to S3 compatible cloud storage (DigitalOcean Spaces) and creating[1] a minimalistic audio player that plays music straight from S3. S3 serves as a live audio library and as a backup at the same time. The web interface lets me listen the music from a desktop or a mobile web browser. [1]: https://github.com/akrylysov/bsimp https://github.com/akrylysov/bsimp
- catapart 4y ago
  Nicely done!
- 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
  can this be integrated with subsonic like servers? https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome https://github.com/sentriz/gonic https://github.com/sentriz/gonic these have good app support so this could be nice
  - KAdot 4y ago
    I'll take a look, thanks for the links! As for apps, playing from the web browser doesn't require additional apps and works surprisingly well. Bsimp is integrated with the Media Session API which lets you control the playback from the notification bar or the lock screen.
- rasz 4y ago
  Why upload anywhere instead of buying one sdcard?
  - greymalik 4y ago
    Why not do both?
  - selfhoster11 4y ago
    My iPhone doesn't have an SD card slot. It sounds like it would be a useful feature to have - perhaps they could add a headphone jack as well.
MarcelOlsz 4y ago
Get a Synology NAS with the DSAudio app. I stream music from my NAS wherever, super simple classic interface, and it caches songs too.
subpar 4y ago
I toss everything on the NAS and interface via Swinsian [1]. Bought a license many years ago and haven't looked back. Closest thing to "old itunes" UI and rock solid, low-latency playback and browsing across a large library over the network. [1] https://swinsian.com/ https://swinsian.com/
pkulak 4y ago
This is what I've moved to: https://www.navidrome.org/ https://www.navidrome.org/
kkamperschroer 4y ago
I saw Plex mentioned, but personally I like Subsonic better for music specifically: http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp If you're already hosting Plex, what's one more Docker container running Subsonic? :)
- wilsonnb3 4y ago
  Jellyfin is a good option too, the FinAmp app is a pretty good music player.
- pimeys 4y ago
  At least Navidrome (what I consider to be the most interesting Subsonic system) is kind of tricky to use with FreeBSD. I'm probably using my Plex until I convert my NAS to TrueNAS Scale (based on Linux), or get myself a small PC for Proxmox, which can then run it with less friction.
eointierney 4y ago
Rpi, tailscale, ampache?
perryizgr8 4y ago
Google play music was this exactly. And it worked beautifully. But alas, someone at Google needed a promotion.
anonymousiam 4y ago
Amazon did the same thing to my music library almost a decade ago. Their app even deleted some of my locally stored music. It's best to just store it all locally (and make it read-only).
mmh0000 4y ago
The Pirate Bay (https://thepiratebay.org/index.html https://thepiratebay.org/index.html) is one of the best cloud music providers, they've been around for two decades and have never deleted anything. Depending on your genre preferences they might not have everything you want, in which case there are some other competing cloud providers[0] that specialize in specific genres: [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/wiki/megathread/music/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/wiki/megathread/music/
- daxelrod 4y ago
  The Pirate Bay may never have deleted anything, but they also don't host any of the music. Just because a torrent exists doesn't mean anyone is seeding it.
- bmitc 4y ago
  You might as well say no, because that’s not a cloud provider. I’m not sure stealing is the right solution. Most artists struggle to make ends meet and have little control over their own music rights.
  - skyyler 4y ago
    Album sales haven't been how musicians have made money for over a decade now. It's cute that you care, but money is a lot better spent on merchandise from the band's store than on records if you're trying to financially support the artist.
    - bmitc 4y ago
      So you’re entitled to music for free because you buy merchandise?
      - mirkules 4y ago
        What deterred me from becoming a professional musician was this (paraphrased) quote: “Your job is not to sell music. Your job is to sell merchandise, and your music is just advertising for your merchandise.” If I were to rationalize it, I would say “stealing music” is essentially “stealing advertising”. (By the way, I don’t think you should be downvoted so much. I believe in good-faith discussion, even if I disagree)
rasz 4y ago
Its not your music.
throwaway290 4y ago
There's a setting along the lines of "don't delete". People were burned by this, it boggles my mind that it's not the default...
selfhoster11 4y ago
Consumer-grade SaaS won't cut it. You need enterprise level storage like S3, or you self-host it yourself.
Galicarnax 4y ago
What's the point of uploading the music somewhere, and even more so paying for that?
snvzz 4y ago
Build a local library, using DRM-free FLAC files. Use your favorited encrypted (with a key you have and they don't) cloud backup solution as a safeguard in case you lose your local files.
patrickk 4y ago
This kind of experience is exactly why I bought a bunch of old iPods and loaded them up with music and favourite playlists. You can mod certain iPod classics to take micro SD cards and upgraded batteries too. Yes it’s a hassle to sync them but I retain control, and there’s no tracking and no ads. One iPod for out and about, one for the car. They’re dirt cheap for certain models nowadays.
- mod 4y ago
  Which models do you like for this? (I've never had an iPod)
  - patrickk 4y ago
    iPod classics. Iflash boards are probably the best way of enabling micro SD cards, there’s a list on their site: https://www.iflash.xyz/store/iflash-compatibility/ https://www.iflash.xyz/store/iflash-compatibility/
mr_gibbins 4y ago
I use Github. Am I the only one? I'm sure it's not Github's ideal use case, but if they bin off my account, at least I have the files locally, and I take periodic backups to a physical drive that I store. Can't say it's particularly fast to clone to a new machine though and it's not streamable like e.g. S3. 'Sourcing' new music? TBP, Google dorks used to be good a few years ago but clickbait-farmers cottoned on and now they're unusable. If you have the misfortune of being in the UK, you'll need a VPN.
Balgair 4y ago
Aside: I've gotten so burnt/paranoid from having this exact same thing happen to me many times over the years. No joke, if I really love a song/albumn then I get it in vinyl. That way no format/codec/law/whatever can change the song and 'steal' it from me. I'll have it for the rest of my life.
jlkuester7 4y ago
I ended up self-hosting all my music via https://funkwhale.audio/ https://funkwhale.audio/. I use S3-style object storage to store the music files so large libraries are no problem!
hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
I'm a lazy person so I just connected a Raspberry Pi with a large hard drive to my local network and installed NextCloud on it. There is a small app called "Music", that's more or less enough for my needs: https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/music https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/music There is no way I'd give the music I purchased over a few decades to some online "library" that tries to be too smart.
schnable 4y ago
This hasnt been my experience with Apple Music. I have added a lot of music that isn't in their catalog and I can play it on all my devices. Would like to understand what the difference is here. I'm in the US.
pacomerh 4y ago
I use the Synology DS Audio app and works great. That's where I host all my music.
- mattkevan 4y ago
  Yep, same here. I have a collection I’ve built up over many years that became too large for an internal drive. Kept it for years in Google Play Music, but when that shut down I moved it to my Synology and haven’t looked back since. DS music is slow with a large library, but does the job. It’s also possible to connect as a shared iTunes library which is handy too.
maerF0x0 4y ago
On a similar vein and as a PSA... I was recently disappointed to find out that IG saved stories / highlights can have their music removed. I found a bunch of memories now have a "song unavailable" on them (and still the original audio silenced)... What's even more disappointing is doing a search for some of the tracks and seeing they are still available. Presumably under a new primary key in their DB.
1letterunixname 4y ago
Mega? Host it yourself using Plexamp?
gorbachev 4y ago
I've given up and just use a NAS as kind of a cold storage solution. I rotate tracks from it on my cellphone whenever I feel like it.
- prepend 4y ago
  Same here. I have songs ripped from CDs in the 90s and I’ve never had a problem with losing music. Every other music service I’ve used-free and paid- has problems with songs no longer being available. It’s kind of funny because it’s the only data that made it from that time of my life.
troyvit 4y ago
Nextcloud has a good streaming player of uploaded music.
registeredcorn 4y ago
Cloud music without outside intervention? No, not really. There's not really a guarantee, because of the nature of how licensing works. If there is a service that would support this in the way you're asking, they would probably be in violation of some sort of agreement. All of these popular cloud services are untrustworthy precisely because they are following the licensing agreements. The ones that don't follow the agreements are probably illegitimate. Assuming you don't want to steal via TPB, etc. I would recommend going with a service that allows you to locally download the music you pay for. I like using 7Digital [1], but they do make a point of warning you that anything you buy, you can listen to on their cloud player, but might be taken off due to licensing reasons. I feel it's a decent offset of clarity by the site owners, high quality audio, good selection, and reasonable prices. I would prefer to not have to worry about keeping multiple backups locally, and instead just be able to listen to whatever I pay for online, but the only true solution to getting the licensing issues fixed is through the court system, and that doesn't look like it's going to be changing any time soon. Basically, your choices are: 1. Break the law and steal directly from artists and audio techs 2. Use a streaming service and be stolen from by record labels due to stupid licensing issues 3. Take control of the situation by hosting your legally purchased content locally Each option sucks, but the third option is the one that bothers me the least. [1]us.7digital.com
standardUser 4y ago
I uploaded all of my CDs to Google Music (now YouTube Music) over 10 years ago. They are still there and I still stream them regularly. For me, I needed to have access to songs that are not available on streaming services (I wish all music was available, but it simply is not). I can't use Spotify because I can't add certain songs to playlists, and what's the point of using a music service if I can't listen to all of the music that I like?
jrm4 4y ago
No.
jrm4 4y ago
I have one, but only because it's a computer in the closet in my house. :) I like mstream lately, it's very simple as compared to e.g. MPD. https://mstream.io/ https://mstream.io/
rjh29 4y ago
I use Dropbox and Dropsync on Android, keeps my music synced across all devices and I just use a regular music player with it.
zasdffaa 4y ago
You can ge an awful lot of music onto a modern MP3 player, and have a backup of it on a hard disk or two at home.
navjack27 4y ago
How about your own computer? How about a network share? How often do you need your music outside of your own home network? How often do you need all of your music and you wouldn't be able to manually copy files to whatever portable device that you have? You have all the pieces.
chewz 4y ago
FLAC files/iPhone 256GB/foobar2000
pengo 4y ago
I chose to cut out the middle man. I'll only buy mobile devices with SD card slots and headphone sockets. Loading all my music onto an SD card is an order of magnitude quicker than uploading it to the web. And I have all my music everywhere, even when there's no internet connection.
NoGravitas 4y ago
Jellyfin works great for me.
m-p-3 4y ago
You can host your own private FunkWhale instance (https://funkwhale.audio/ https://funkwhale.audio/) and use any Subsonic-compatible client to listen to it.
lakomen 4y ago
I keep my ogg and mp3 on my phone. 45GB and growing. Just plug it into the computer to copy, same for listening on the big boxes. I still have a phone with a headphone/mic jack 3.5". I have never tried to plug the spdif cable into the phone. Changed to spdif after the copper cable became defective. Anyhow, plug the phone into the computer's USB and mount it like an external drive. I really try but apart from the music library, it uses 32GB at most, including OS. The photos and videos are on a mini SD card, 128GB in size. But I'm not sure if Apple lets you export the bought songs as mp3 or other formats do you can share or upload or copy them somewhere. Wasn't that a big issue with iTunes?
ghusto 4y ago
I use pCloud. They're not (only?) a "cloud music library", but you can certainly use them like that. They have a music player built into the web and phone interface, but I just use VLC.
eric8bits 4y ago
Roon is my weapon of choice. It has all my lossless CD rips, the Roon ARC app gives me access to my library remotely and for everything else there is TIDAL integration.
manv1 4y ago
iTunes match. But I don't think you can get it anymore. Been using match for a really long time, no issues. Amazon Music whacked my concert archive at some point, which was unbelievably aggravating. Never again.
- manv1 4y ago
  You probably got hit with whatever they're calling iTunes Match now.
- eddyg 4y ago
  It's still available (in the US, at least) for $24.99/year. 100,000 song limit. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204146 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204146
simonblack 4y ago
Nothing you store in the Cloud is yours. If you want something of yours in the Cloud to remain safe, you have to host it yourself in a computer that you physically control. It's the same advice I give others about wealth. If you can't hold it in your hot little hand or touch it, it is not yours. Electronics numbers in somebody's else's computer, doubly so. I learned a hard lesson many years ago when DropBox and I were both a lot younger. Probably (almost certainly) my fault, but I lost several gigs of files when those files were deleted from my 'master' computer instead of being copied to an 'underling' computer.
uslic001 4y ago
Recently Amazon Music stopped allowing me to play my own uploaded music from many years ago in playlists. It says to access my songs via playlists I have to subscribe to Amazon Unlimited Music. It is my music, why can't I play it via playlist anymore? I can still play albums I uploaded, just not playlists.