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I think one of the issues with going beyond the basics is that once you start to tackle more advanced controls you not only have to be more opinionated, as ther

I think one of the issues with going beyond the basics is that once you start to tackle more advanced controls you not only have to be more opinionated, as there’s many ways to achieve these things, but also they become for more specific use cases and thus creating a general solution has exponential complexity.

zarzavat 4y ago
What people want from a UI library is to be able to use system components. For example, there should be a way to open the system color picker, to display a system data grid, system date picker, etc. It doesn’t need to be more than that.
- rob74 4y ago
  There are definitely people who want more than that. Some controls I am always looking for in a UI library before I even think about using it is a more advanced list control (or table view) which supports columns, sorting etc., and a "tree view". Of course, as the GP wrote, it's hard to implement these without getting more opinionated. Plus, I might add, it's also hard to do these while staying "mobile-friendly".
- exDM69 4y ago
  These blessed "system components" do not exist any more. Windows has two or three different ways of doing widgets and so does MacOS while the Unix land never had one. You can still use the old ones, but they will look old and may not behave like you would expect (hidpi displays, touch screen, etc). wxWidgets and its bindings to many languages exists if that is what you want. Writing an uniform interface to GUI widgets on many platforms is very much a non-trivial undertaking, there are plenty of failed attempts over the years.
  - zozbot234 4y ago
    The look & feel of system components on Windows has actively regressed starting from Win 8 and subsequent releases. No idea about the situation on Mac OS. But AIUI, both Qt and GTK+ will give you a good enough UI in practice. Perhaps someone will even split out the SerenityOS widgets (which are truly best-in-class, meshing the advantages of "classic" and "modern" UX) as a multi-platform framework, much like has been done wrt. the browser engine.
    - dataflow 4y ago
      > AIUI, both Qt and GTK+ will give you a good enough UI in practice Not GTK+, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Qt gets much closer, though in both cases you can tell something feels off. (e.g., click an active tab in a tab control in Qt and you won't see the dotted selection line like you would in Win32. That normally indicates you can switch between tabs on the keyboard.)
    - Wuzado 4y ago
      SerenityOS is such an amazing project. "Oh, this thing would take a large team several years to build? Let's build it anyway!" The backstory behind the project is extremely admirable, too.
    - Ygg2 4y ago
      > Perhaps someone will even split out the SerenityOS widgets as a multi-platform framework That would look out of place on MacOS or Windows. Serenity has a Win 2000 look.
  - api 4y ago
    MacOS still has standard components at least. For Windows you can pick the best of several options and stick with that.
  - nix0n 4y ago
    For what it's worth, wxWidgets does have hidpi support (at least on Windows).
  - nuc1e0n 4y ago
    Don't forget about Microsoft COM components. That technology was specifically created as a system to produce "reusable components" with. What happened to that?
friendzis 4y ago
Qt has solved this problem in a pretty neat way

zarzavat 4y ago

What people want from a UI library is to be able to use system components. For example, there should be a way to open the system color picker, to display a system data grid, system date picker, etc. It doesn’t need to be more than that.

rob74 4y ago
There are definitely people who want more than that. Some controls I am always looking for in a UI library before I even think about using it is a more advanced list control (or table view) which supports columns, sorting etc., and a "tree view". Of course, as the GP wrote, it's hard to implement these without getting more opinionated. Plus, I might add, it's also hard to do these while staying "mobile-friendly".
exDM69 4y ago
These blessed "system components" do not exist any more. Windows has two or three different ways of doing widgets and so does MacOS while the Unix land never had one. You can still use the old ones, but they will look old and may not behave like you would expect (hidpi displays, touch screen, etc). wxWidgets and its bindings to many languages exists if that is what you want. Writing an uniform interface to GUI widgets on many platforms is very much a non-trivial undertaking, there are plenty of failed attempts over the years.
- zozbot234 4y ago
  The look & feel of system components on Windows has actively regressed starting from Win 8 and subsequent releases. No idea about the situation on Mac OS. But AIUI, both Qt and GTK+ will give you a good enough UI in practice. Perhaps someone will even split out the SerenityOS widgets (which are truly best-in-class, meshing the advantages of "classic" and "modern" UX) as a multi-platform framework, much like has been done wrt. the browser engine.
  - dataflow 4y ago
    > AIUI, both Qt and GTK+ will give you a good enough UI in practice Not GTK+, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Qt gets much closer, though in both cases you can tell something feels off. (e.g., click an active tab in a tab control in Qt and you won't see the dotted selection line like you would in Win32. That normally indicates you can switch between tabs on the keyboard.)
  - Wuzado 4y ago
    SerenityOS is such an amazing project. "Oh, this thing would take a large team several years to build? Let's build it anyway!" The backstory behind the project is extremely admirable, too.
  - Ygg2 4y ago
    > Perhaps someone will even split out the SerenityOS widgets as a multi-platform framework That would look out of place on MacOS or Windows. Serenity has a Win 2000 look.
- api 4y ago
  MacOS still has standard components at least. For Windows you can pick the best of several options and stick with that.
- nix0n 4y ago
  For what it's worth, wxWidgets does have hidpi support (at least on Windows).
- nuc1e0n 4y ago
  Don't forget about Microsoft COM components. That technology was specifically created as a system to produce "reusable components" with. What happened to that?

friendzis 4y ago

Qt has solved this problem in a pretty neat way