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This is frustrating and demonstrates the tension in Apple owning their own music (or anything) service. Do they want us to use Siri? Then it needs to behave con

This is frustrating and demonstrates the tension in Apple owning their own music (or anything) service. Do they want us to use Siri? Then it needs to behave consistently and match expectations. If I have to think “we’ll apple has Apple Music so I can’t use Siri to share music but I can use it to share URLs” you’re putting it on the user to remember the business context every time they use the assistant. As if Siri isn’t busted enough … In UX I’m always trying to make sure that users don’t have to know or think about how the system works, that they can just think like humans and not machines. Here Apple is asking you to think like biz dev folks in order to use Siri. Seems bad.

Siddarth1977 4y ago
Apple is absolutely not "asking you to think like biz dev folks" in fact they're counting on the fact that you won't. They're exploiting their near-monopoly to expand their ownership and control of user actions and make more money. They know most of their users won't notice, and many won't care. It's absolutely bonkers how much Apple gets away with today, when Microsoft got torn apart for abusing their monopoly 20 years ago for things that weren't even 1% as abusive as what Apple is doing here. Microsoft got attacked for bundling an internet browser with their OS. Can you imagine the outrage if Windows started swapping Google URLs for Bing ones or iTunes links for Microsoft-owned properties?
- Lievelingsduif 4y ago
  Microsoft got attacked for Embrace, Extend and Extinguish. Saying "for bundling an internet browser with their OS" is a massive understatement. They forced manufacturers to not only bundle their browser but would seize working with them if they bundled a competitors browser. They also took deliberate steps to make sure their software didn't work on competitors machines. They acted like the competitors software was broken while it was simply a check to see if it was MS-DOS (see DR DOS). Yes Apple should be slapped with an anti-trust case especially when iTunes was nearly the only place where you could buy music. But acting like Microsoft wasn't run by a bunch of anti-competitive pricks makes it look like we've already forgotten about the Halloween documents.
- D13Fd 4y ago
  How is "about 50% market share" a "near monopoly"?
zwilliamson 4y ago
Yes, the business context is holding back such amazing innovation for voice assistants like Siri! There are also a couple apps I use, one being brain.fm, which I would love to see integrate with Siri for voice control but I believe they don’t because they have to pay to integrate with Siri. Or is Siri integration free from an app developer perspective?
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > Or is Siri integration free from an app developer perspective? It's free in the same way that any iOS APIs are, but one could argue that there's a cost in terms of development and QA resources, etc. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sirikit https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sirikit

Siddarth1977 4y ago

Apple is absolutely not "asking you to think like biz dev folks" in fact they're counting on the fact that you won't. They're exploiting their near-monopoly to expand their ownership and control of user actions and make more money. They know most of their users won't notice, and many won't care. It's absolutely bonkers how much Apple gets away with today, when Microsoft got torn apart for abusing their monopoly 20 years ago for things that weren't even 1% as abusive as what Apple is doing here. Microsoft got attacked for bundling an internet browser with their OS. Can you imagine the outrage if Windows started swapping Google URLs for Bing ones or iTunes links for Microsoft-owned properties?

Lievelingsduif 4y ago
Microsoft got attacked for Embrace, Extend and Extinguish. Saying "for bundling an internet browser with their OS" is a massive understatement. They forced manufacturers to not only bundle their browser but would seize working with them if they bundled a competitors browser. They also took deliberate steps to make sure their software didn't work on competitors machines. They acted like the competitors software was broken while it was simply a check to see if it was MS-DOS (see DR DOS). Yes Apple should be slapped with an anti-trust case especially when iTunes was nearly the only place where you could buy music. But acting like Microsoft wasn't run by a bunch of anti-competitive pricks makes it look like we've already forgotten about the Halloween documents.
D13Fd 4y ago
How is "about 50% market share" a "near monopoly"?

zwilliamson 4y ago

Yes, the business context is holding back such amazing innovation for voice assistants like Siri! There are also a couple apps I use, one being brain.fm, which I would love to see integrate with Siri for voice control but I believe they don’t because they have to pay to integrate with Siri. Or is Siri integration free from an app developer perspective?

CharlesW 4y ago
> Or is Siri integration free from an app developer perspective? It's free in the same way that any iOS APIs are, but one could argue that there's a cost in terms of development and QA resources, etc. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sirikit https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sirikit