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Zeal OS is a modernized fork of the Temple Operating System
- mdp2021 4y agoRemembering Terry Davis, 1969-2018.
- St_Alfonzo 4y ago> "It's good to be King. Wait. Maybe. I think maybe I'm just a bizarre little person who walks back and forth." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH41gGBVpkE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH41gGBVpkE His last Video. Aug. 11, 2018.
- causality0 4y agoI'm amazed there are Terry Davis quotes that are SFW.
- St_Alfonzo 4y agoI know what you mean, but it was mostly because of his illness that he had phases where he talked only conspiracy theories ("The CIA ni*as glow in the dark"). He had phases where he talked many subject with full awareness of his own illness and without cursing. Here some philosophical stuff: Bird Analogy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmltIMPMeP0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmltIMPMeP0 On Reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-SJKJnZ9cg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-SJKJnZ9cg Here is a two part interview where he talks computer science stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXwNTw4I6Ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXwNTw4I6Ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTiRWN5T0Gw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTiRWN5T0Gw
- causality0 4y agoThe glowies I get being a symptom. I'm not sure I buy the idea that someone is only super racist when they're having an episode, though. Plenty of his rants about black people had nothing to do with conspiracy theories. I'm not denying he was brilliant.
- richbell 4y ago> I'm not sure I buy the idea that someone is only super racist when they're having an episode, though. It's a fairly well-documented phenomenon that people suffering from things like dimensia or alzheimers will behave inappropriately, in ways they wouldn't have earlier in life. Whether they're expressing deep-seated beliefs or simply no longer able to filter invasive thoughts is hard to say. The brain is a complex system and damage caused by trauma or exposure to lead, for example, can also cause increased impulsiveness and social aggression. I can't imagine how terrifying it must be to slowly lose control of your mind and 'self'.
- lupire 4y agoSchizophrenic people mimic their media environment. Schizophrenic people not surrounded by racism don't invent racist theories.
- s5300 4y agoThere are actually quite a lot. Some with real wisdom in them. Take a look at his original account on here and you will find some - but also, there are many videos in which he has lasting moments of lucidity. Typically when talking about his old hobbies and passions. Completely normal and not even slightly unhinged conversation - one would never know he was otherwise the ways he were.
- kome 4y agoThis project made me so happy. Requiescat in pace, Terry Davis.
- mananaysiempre 4y agoAlso posted yesterday: “A constructive look at TempleOS (2015)” (3 comments), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33576385 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33576385.
- CodeArtisan 4y agoLinus Tech Tips did a video back in 2020, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlyeDAJR7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlyeDAJR7A
- skissane 4y agoAnother, similar project: https://github.com/minexew/Shrine https://github.com/minexew/Shrine
- andai 4y agoI wonder how much is compatible between these projects. I think the binaries from each should run on the other. Though some features probably required changes to the kernel.
- Rendello 4y agoI worked on the history system to Shrine's shell (Lsh) in 2020. Development of Shrine is stalled currently so the changes never propagated to Shrine proper. I would call Shrine a fairly minimalist fork, in that there's a lot built on top of TempleOS, but the core is mostly the same. A more minimalist fork is TinkerOS, which is a lot closer to stock TempleOS but with bugfixes, modern hardware support, and some software packages added. ZealOS is a maximalist fork, changing the core of TempleOS everywhere the authors see fit. Nothing wrong with that either. The fork authors are in contact with each other and discuss ideas / share code occasionally. Lsh's repo: https://github.com/minexew/Lsh https://github.com/minexew/Lsh TinkerOS: https://github.com/tinkeros/TinkerOS https://github.com/tinkeros/TinkerOS
- s5300 4y ago
- isitmadeofglass 4y agoWhat do you mean? He was always treated with respect and admiration on HN, with an understanding of his personal difficulties. I think your conflating the treatment he received here with how he was treated on Reddit.
- s5300 4y agoThis is incorrect. You can very simply go find that out with your own time. Happy to be downvoted into the ground for my earlier statement. He deserved so much better.
- codetrotter 4y agoHis first account was https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=losethos https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=losethos His mental illness was not his fault. But it is also understandable that when someone uses the n-word, they will get downvoted and banned, even when it’s not their fault.
- IntelMiner 4y agoThis isn't Reddit. Please don't blather on about "downvotes" If you would like to contribute constructively to the discussion you're welcome to cite comments that you feel HN have censored in some way EDIT: Fixed a typo
- imiric 4y agoIt's great to see that Terry's legacy lives on. He was an incredibly gifted, yet equally troubled, individual, with some noble goals for what computing should look like. There are many good ideas in TempleOS we can all be inspired from, and I'm glad there are people working on expanding and making them more accessible.
- rincewind 4y agoI was asking myself: Why? Isn't this in bad taste? Isn't this continuing a meme long after it has turned from funny to sad? I am sure the answer is just because we can, just for fun, to make it more accessible. But I kind of wish there was an answer to that question in the README or on the site.
- nazgulsenpai 4y agoIts a fascinating bare metal OS written by one man complete with development tools. If anything its a testament to his brilliance.
- s5300 4y agoHey look, another asshole (on HN) who thinks Terry & his both unfortunate & unavoidable life circumstances were just a sad, funny, meme. Here’s an old comment from Terry I wish he could say to you for your tone & feelings towards him. >>”STFU. When you can work bigger miracles than I, you can open your mouth.”
- Lapsa 4y agowell... it's not quite just a meme. I've always found dude more inspirational than funny
- tluyben2 4y agoYep, most people focused on his illness and his nsfw speak and postings; I always just focused on the technical. The guy was a tech genius.
- nix23 4y ago>Isn't this in bad taste? Isn't this continuing a meme long after it has turned from funny to sad? The OS contains genius ideas, it's not called "TempleOS" it is public domain, the devel workflow is the same..i think it keeps one of Terry's good sides alive...i would be honored.
- farhaven 4y agoI think Terry would be happy that people want to tinker with what he built even after his death. I mean, he explicitly built it as a sort of throw-back to the early home computer days.
- scaredginger 4y agoBlasphemy
- rightbyte 4y agoYe I don't think network capability fits the design philosophy really.
- krapp 4y agoThe "design philosophy" behind TempleOS was schizophrenic delusion, there's no reason anyone else concerned about the value of the code, rather than "creating God's temple on Earth" or whatever, needs to concern themselves with those aspects of it.
- scaredginger 4y agoPerhaps Temple OS shouldn't be evaluated by ordinary software standards. It is more or less useless as a general purpose operating system. It may have value in education, but in my opinion, it should be treated as an artwork when assessing its merit
- MichaelCollins 4y agoFrom what I understand, Terry was trying to capture the magic of early personal computers, hence no virtual memory or process isolation. A low-stakes environment for hobbyists and tinkerers to play around in. Adding network support raises the stakes a bit.
- hutzlibu 4y agoI do not think the post you replied to, had this as the intention. It was a response to the clearly ironic (and funny) "blasphemous" comment..
- scaredginger 4y agoWhy, thank you
- v3ss0n 4y agoIs it glowing too?
- jonsen 4y agoTerry Davis was the main reason I chose to permanently have showdead: [yes]
- julienreszka 4y agoIt has networking. Sacrilege
- m0llusk 4y agoNifty, but that font rendering burns my eyes. Might it workout both technically and philosophically to pipe all the text output through LaTeX or some similar thing?
- jpgvm 4y agoRIP Terry, beautiful but troubled genius.
- HeckFeck 4y agoThe fact that GitHub identifies HolyC as a proglang is magnificent.
- 2333583089 4y agoThat didn't last long.
- CharlesW 4y agoIt's there for me. As I type this, ZealOS is 98.1% HolyC.
- wkdneidbwf 4y agothis potentially qualifies as blasphemy so i should probably steer clear
- voidz 4y agoTerry Davis was clearly the mad scientist we didn't know we needed. He brought many useful insights to OS development. Maybe one day the seeds he planted will grow out to become a wonderful tree. On days when he wasn't hampered by his medical issues some people remember him to be an extremely skilled teacher, patient with people who asked genuine questions. There was that side to him too.
- bombcar 4y agoWhat’s reality? I don’t know. When my bird was looking at my computer monitor I thought, ‘That bird has no idea what he’s looking at.’ And yet what does the bird do? Does he panic? No, he can’t really panic, he just does the best he can. Is he able to live in a world where he’s so ignorant? Well, he doesn’t really have a choice. The bird is okay even though he doesn’t understand the world. You’re that bird looking at the monitor, and you’re thinking to yourself, ‘I can figure this out.’ Maybe you have some bird ideas. Maybe that’s the best you can do. My favorite quote from a Terry not Pratchett.
- MonitorBird 4y agoThis was such an amazing comment I had to make an account just to let you know and thank you
- delusional 4y agoI guess we are talking about Terry again. Terry was my first look into how mean the internet is. Here was a man, wicked smart, but with some very clear issues. He was kind enough to share himself with all of us, producing videos and putting his work out there but Instead of engaging with him while recognizing his limitations, we mocked him. People turned up to prod him to say "CIA N...". They asked him the same 5 questions to bait him into saying something stupid. It was honestly horrible. Learning of Terry marked the end of my internet innocence. Suddenly it wasn't just fun and games, but real people with real lives.
- 6stringmerc 4y agoIf you think that watch was tough, go watch the documentary Stevie for even further exploration of the sheer out of sight out of mind realities that are too difficult as problems to bring up usually.
- Salgat 4y agoExpose someone to a community of billions of anonymous users and you pretty much have to expect this type of behavior, regardless of how inexcusable it is. The best thing you can do is not feed the trolls, just ignore them. They're never going away, but at least you can avoid giving them satisfaction.
- 29athrowaway 4y agoTerry had schizophrenia and lived with his elderly parents while developing his OS. Then, Internet trolls targeted Terry because of his controversial remarks. The trolls celebrated all of his questionable actions, ruining his relationship with his parents who eventually kicked him out of the house. At that point he became homeless, living in a car. Because of his mental condition, he broke the law in several occasions. In his late videos he can be seen unshaved and having difficulties to keep personal hygiene, unlike before he became homeless, where he was always shaved and clean. Not so long after becoming homeless he died killed by a train and some believe it was suicide.
- 6stringmerc 4y ago
- ksec 4y ago>The trolls celebrated all of his questionable actions, ruining his relationship with his parents who eventually kicked him out of the house. Did we ever found out who the trolls were?
- 29athrowaway 4y agoI have heard that some troll gifted him a drum set, and his elderly parents were very aggravated from the noise and that was one of the tipping points.
- coldacid 4y agoSo Protestantism has finally hit TempleOS?