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Ah, sure. It could've been swamp gas from a weather balloon trapped in a thermal pocket, which has reflected the light from Venus.

by fuoqi 4y ago

libraryatnight 4y ago
Uncle Dave?
- narag 4y ago
  Man in Black. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TgSGylIw2A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TgSGylIw2A That in turn were quoting usual explanations from the Blue Book Project era.
bayindirh 4y ago
The thing is, the prime suspect(s) of this operation have means to do this much more stealthily. Why send a 95 to 130 meter ship to do that? I believe this is sabotage. I have no idea who did it and why, but saying "Hey, there are two ships, miles away from the site with transponders off. It's them!" is a bit of a stretch.
- fuoqi 4y ago
  I am not saying that it's proven that the "dark" ship is responsible here. I am objecting to the opinion that blowing up NS/NS2 is somehow not an obvious act of sabotage. With all the rhetoric from the US about not allowing NS2 using any means, I think that it's quite possible that charges were planted long before the explosions and were activated remotely.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    > I am not saying that it's proven that the "dark" ship is responsible here. I am objecting to the opinion that blowing up NS/NS2 is somehow not an obvious act of sabotage. Then you completely misread the comment you originally responded to, and this entire thread is a waste of time. All they said was that the dark ship evidence does not prove sabotage. And you say the same thing, that the dark ship may or may not be responsible.
- narag 4y ago
  The thing is, the prime suspect(s) of this operation have means to do this much more stealthily. Maybe they didn't expect to get caught. It seems we're assisting to a recalibration of what's possible in several fields.
- bongoman37 4y ago
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  Because passing merchant vessels attract less attention from ASW assets than submarines? At a wild guess, there'd be multiple merchant vessels travelling past the point where the pipes were attacked. Who would notice if a group of divers happened to leave a ship as it transited? And of course, those vessels could be flagged under many a convenient jurisdiction. Liberia used to have the world's largest merchant marine, theoretically. Whereas if you go in with a submarine, and it gets detected in the vicinity, it's far harder to plausibly deny that your country wasn't involved. TL;DR - you're assuming a submarine would be stealthier, but there's a lot of stealth to be had from hiding in the crowd.
jfghi 4y ago
Did you make that up on the spot or was it recycled?
- deleted 4y ago
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Ah, sure. It could've been swamp gas from a weather balloon trapped in a thermal pocket, which has reflected the light from Venus.

by fuoqi 4y ago

Ah, sure. It could've been swamp gas from a weather balloon trapped in a thermal pocket, which has reflected the light from Venus.

libraryatnight 4y ago

Uncle Dave?

narag 4y ago
Man in Black. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TgSGylIw2A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TgSGylIw2A That in turn were quoting usual explanations from the Blue Book Project era.

bayindirh 4y ago

The thing is, the prime suspect(s) of this operation have means to do this much more stealthily. Why send a 95 to 130 meter ship to do that? I believe this is sabotage. I have no idea who did it and why, but saying "Hey, there are two ships, miles away from the site with transponders off. It's them!" is a bit of a stretch.

fuoqi 4y ago
I am not saying that it's proven that the "dark" ship is responsible here. I am objecting to the opinion that blowing up NS/NS2 is somehow not an obvious act of sabotage. With all the rhetoric from the US about not allowing NS2 using any means, I think that it's quite possible that charges were planted long before the explosions and were activated remotely.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > I am not saying that it's proven that the "dark" ship is responsible here. I am objecting to the opinion that blowing up NS/NS2 is somehow not an obvious act of sabotage. Then you completely misread the comment you originally responded to, and this entire thread is a waste of time. All they said was that the dark ship evidence does not prove sabotage. And you say the same thing, that the dark ship may or may not be responsible.
narag 4y ago
The thing is, the prime suspect(s) of this operation have means to do this much more stealthily. Maybe they didn't expect to get caught. It seems we're assisting to a recalibration of what's possible in several fields.
bongoman37 4y ago
EdwardDiego 4y ago
Because passing merchant vessels attract less attention from ASW assets than submarines? At a wild guess, there'd be multiple merchant vessels travelling past the point where the pipes were attacked. Who would notice if a group of divers happened to leave a ship as it transited? And of course, those vessels could be flagged under many a convenient jurisdiction. Liberia used to have the world's largest merchant marine, theoretically. Whereas if you go in with a submarine, and it gets detected in the vicinity, it's far harder to plausibly deny that your country wasn't involved. TL;DR - you're assuming a submarine would be stealthier, but there's a lot of stealth to be had from hiding in the crowd.

jfghi 4y ago

Did you make that up on the spot or was it recycled?

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