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Dark ships? If this was Russias doing, or the US, why not send submarines to do something like this? I don’t buy it.

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narag 4y ago
Is it doable with submarines? What would you do, torpedo the pipes? Assuming you want to plant charges, I've seen mini-subs attached to bigger submarines, but it was a movie (Red October), so no idea if that's really a thing. Otherwise, what do you do? Can divers be deployed from a submarine?
- xoxxala 4y ago
  There are subs specifically designed for these kind of special operations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    Also the BS-136 Orenburg, among others. Both Russia and America definitely have the capability.
  - narag 4y ago
    Thank you, also to morsch and Michael, this is very interesting. Brings me memories of the Seaview TV series.
- morsch 4y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_deck_shelter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_deck_shelter
- cwillu 4y ago
  The DSRV from the book and movie is real: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystic-class_deep-submergence_rescue_vehicle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystic-class_deep-submergenc...
- RaiausderDose 4y ago
  http://www.hisutton.com/Belgorod-Class-Submarine.html http://www.hisutton.com/Belgorod-Class-Submarine.html The guy makes these cutaway of the subs with MS Paint http://www.hisutton.com/Spy%20Sub%20-%20Project%2010831%20Losharik.html http://www.hisutton.com/Spy%20Sub%20-%20Project%2010831%20Lo... http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Intervention-Underwater-Drone.html http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Intervention-Underwater-Dron... Video about seabed-warfare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H_tFKT9EXU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H_tFKT9EXU these are Russian subs / AUVs , very cool stuff.
  - narag 4y ago
    Wow, this stuff is fascinating. And the guy really has some Paint chops.
- masswerk 4y ago
  According to some experts it may have been done using mines and divers deployed from a sub. (The use of mines is apparently somewhat medieval in this context, as there are better methods for an experienced team.) Given the density of sensor networks in the area, you'd probably need a really quiet sub, something like the German Type 212 / 212A, including export models and license builds. I guess, the Russians have something similar. (Not an expert myself by any means.) So there is quite a number of candidates in the vicinity. P.S.: With regard to these sensor networks, I guess, the "dark" surface vessels weren't big news for the military in the area.
neftaly 4y ago
A rusty tanker or cargo ship with a dozen mercs and a ROV is probably way cheaper and has plausible deniability compared to a navy submarine.
lonelyasacloud 4y ago
The destruction was a message; back off or your internet cables, gas and oil pipelines will be destroyed. Why put any more resources into the message than is necessary for propaganda purposes?
aaron695 4y ago

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Is it doable with submarines? What would you do, torpedo the pipes? Assuming you want to plant charges, I've seen mini-subs attached to bigger submarines, but it was a movie (Red October), so no idea if that's really a thing. Otherwise, what do you do? Can divers be deployed from a submarine?

xoxxala 4y ago
There are subs specifically designed for these kind of special operations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Also the BS-136 Orenburg, among others. Both Russia and America definitely have the capability.
- narag 4y ago
  Thank you, also to morsch and Michael, this is very interesting. Brings me memories of the Seaview TV series.
morsch 4y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_deck_shelter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_deck_shelter
cwillu 4y ago
The DSRV from the book and movie is real: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystic-class_deep-submergence_rescue_vehicle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystic-class_deep-submergenc...
RaiausderDose 4y ago
http://www.hisutton.com/Belgorod-Class-Submarine.html http://www.hisutton.com/Belgorod-Class-Submarine.html The guy makes these cutaway of the subs with MS Paint http://www.hisutton.com/Spy%20Sub%20-%20Project%2010831%20Losharik.html http://www.hisutton.com/Spy%20Sub%20-%20Project%2010831%20Lo... http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Intervention-Underwater-Drone.html http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Intervention-Underwater-Dron... Video about seabed-warfare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H_tFKT9EXU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H_tFKT9EXU these are Russian subs / AUVs , very cool stuff.
- narag 4y ago
  Wow, this stuff is fascinating. And the guy really has some Paint chops.
masswerk 4y ago
According to some experts it may have been done using mines and divers deployed from a sub. (The use of mines is apparently somewhat medieval in this context, as there are better methods for an experienced team.) Given the density of sensor networks in the area, you'd probably need a really quiet sub, something like the German Type 212 / 212A, including export models and license builds. I guess, the Russians have something similar. (Not an expert myself by any means.) So there is quite a number of candidates in the vicinity. P.S.: With regard to these sensor networks, I guess, the "dark" surface vessels weren't big news for the military in the area.

neftaly 4y ago

A rusty tanker or cargo ship with a dozen mercs and a ROV is probably way cheaper and has plausible deniability compared to a navy submarine.

lonelyasacloud 4y ago

The destruction was a message; back off or your internet cables, gas and oil pipelines will be destroyed. Why put any more resources into the message than is necessary for propaganda purposes?

aaron695 4y ago