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This seems like a bad faith argument. It is more like here is a better design that's more compact and has more adoption, we're making it open standard for anyon

This seems like a bad faith argument. It is more like here is a better design that's more compact and has more adoption, we're making it open standard for anyone to adopt.

ip26 4y ago
Yeah, with the standard open, if we also assume Tesla opens the supercharger network it’s kind of hard to see a great argument for CCS. Better plug, more users, more chargers. I’m biased, but I’ve also used all three plugs (CCS, J1772, NACS). NACS is the USB-C to the other two’s DVI.
- zzzeek 4y ago
  the argument is I dont want to take my brand new car to the junkyard in two years.
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    Worst case scenario you use an adapter.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    Even if adapters were somehow impossible, you wouldn't have to do that.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > I’ve also used all three plugs (CCS, J1772, NACS) Me too. The Tesla plug was the only one that ever got stuck in the car. So I don't know if I'd say that J1772 is strictly inferior.
rootusrootus 4y ago
You can't say "more adoption" with a serious face and accuse someone else of making a bad faith argument. You are carefully limiting your definition of adoption. It would be just as valid to point out that CCS1 has vastly more adoption, by using manufacturer as the metric.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Jeez. Why are you guys so cynical? I am trying to assume the best of what the PR release says. No wonder this place is becoming toxic. It only raises my own cynisism that folks here are acting in bad faith because it is Tesla or some kind of an ideological trope people have gotten sucked into. The parent comment is frothing with hate and bad faith.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    Sorry, I was not intending to be hostile or cynical. But this whole discussion is overflowing with people who think Tesla can do no wrong, and they're not making anything like good faith arguments. It's grating. I should just walk away rather than respond, but... https://xkcd.com/386/ https://xkcd.com/386/

This seems like a bad faith argument. It is more like here is a better design that's more compact and has more adoption, we're making it open standard for anyone to adopt.

ip26 4y ago

Yeah, with the standard open, if we also assume Tesla opens the supercharger network it’s kind of hard to see a great argument for CCS. Better plug, more users, more chargers. I’m biased, but I’ve also used all three plugs (CCS, J1772, NACS). NACS is the USB-C to the other two’s DVI.

zzzeek 4y ago
the argument is I dont want to take my brand new car to the junkyard in two years.
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  Worst case scenario you use an adapter.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  Even if adapters were somehow impossible, you wouldn't have to do that.
rootusrootus 4y ago
> I’ve also used all three plugs (CCS, J1772, NACS) Me too. The Tesla plug was the only one that ever got stuck in the car. So I don't know if I'd say that J1772 is strictly inferior.

rootusrootus 4y ago

You can't say "more adoption" with a serious face and accuse someone else of making a bad faith argument. You are carefully limiting your definition of adoption. It would be just as valid to point out that CCS1 has vastly more adoption, by using manufacturer as the metric.

systemvoltage 4y ago
Jeez. Why are you guys so cynical? I am trying to assume the best of what the PR release says. No wonder this place is becoming toxic. It only raises my own cynisism that folks here are acting in bad faith because it is Tesla or some kind of an ideological trope people have gotten sucked into. The parent comment is frothing with hate and bad faith.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Sorry, I was not intending to be hostile or cynical. But this whole discussion is overflowing with people who think Tesla can do no wrong, and they're not making anything like good faith arguments. It's grating. I should just walk away rather than respond, but... https://xkcd.com/386/ https://xkcd.com/386/