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by olivermarks 4y ago
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Risks to Emergency Responders from High-Voltage, Lithium-Ion Battery Fires Addressed in Safety Report
Actions sought by the NTSB in the four safety recommendations issued Wednesday include:
Factoring the availability of a manufacturer’s emergency response guide, and its adherence to International Organization for Standardization standard 17840 and SAE International recommended practice J2990, when determining a U.S. New Car Assessment Program score.
Continued research on ways to mitigate or deenergize stranded energy in high-voltage lithium-ion batteries.
Continued research on ways to reduce the hazards associated with thermal runaway resulting from high-speed, high-severity crashes.
Manufacturer emergency response guides modeled on ISO standard 17840 and SAE International recommended practice J2990.
Incorporation of vehicle-specific information in emergency response guides for:
Fighting high-voltage lithium-ion battery fires.
Mitigating thermal runaway and the risk of high-voltage lithium-ion battery reignition.
Mitigating risks associated with stranded energy in high-voltage lithium-ion batteries during emergency response and before a damaged electric vehicle is removed from the scene.
Safely storing an electric vehicle with a damaged high-voltage lithium-ion battery.
Providing information and available guidance to first responders and other crash scene workers about fire risks associated with high-voltage lithium-ion battery fires in electric vehicles.
Fires in electric vehicles powered by high-voltage lithium-ion batteries pose the risk of electric shock to emergency responders from exposure to the high-voltage components of a damaged lithium-ion battery. A further risk is that damaged cells in the battery can experience thermal runaway – uncontrolled increases in temperature and pressure – which can lead to battery reignition. The risks of electric shock and battery reignition/fire arise from the “stranded” energy that remains in a damaged battery.
- olivermarks 4y agoThank God these two electric vehicles didn't catch fire and set the gas lines on fire when they crashed this week https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Tesla-Prius-crash-into-San-Francisco-home-17577127.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-Latest-News https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Tesla-Prius-crash-int...
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoIs a Prius considered an electric car now? But a Prius and a Tesla crashing into a horn sounds like something that would only happen in SF.
- olivermarks 4y agoPrius's don't burn as hot as full BEVs but if their batteries are compromised in a wreck it gets pretty fiery https://abc7.com/pacific-coast-highway-car-fire-pch/1051638/ https://abc7.com/pacific-coast-highway-car-fire-pch/1051638/
- someweirdperson 4y agoSAE is using terms differently, abusing, re-defining terms that have been in use for a century. This mixed use of the same word for different things can be extremely dangerous.
- olivermarks 4y agoNot as dangerous as the free pass LFP batteries have been getting despite trapped energy, thermal runaway and very high heat fires that are extremely hard to control and extinguish. There needs to be far, far more oversight of the battery industry.
- tuatoru 4y agoWhere in that link were LFP batteries mentioned? One of the advantages of LFP over nickel-manganese-cobalt chemistries is lower heat evolution when punctured or ruptured. Do you have other evidence for your claim of very high heat fires from LFP batteries?
- olivermarks 4y agohttps://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20210113.aspx https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20210113.as... https://youtu.be/tuVxwmnhqP4?t=385 https://youtu.be/tuVxwmnhqP4?t=385
- tuatoru 4y agoTip for young players: "lithium ion" means NMC chemistry. If it's LFP, it will be called LFP. Uncle Toby says lithium ion, so it's not LFP. He talks about a year old Tesla fire, so that was NMC, not LFP.
- philipkglass 4y agoI didn't watch the video, but neither this NTSB press release nor the longer report it points to contain the terms "LFP" or "phosphate."