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I am not opposed to any solution that doesn't involve a reduction in consumption. However, I do advocate for degrowth and reduction. Consuming less actually has

I am not opposed to any solution that doesn't involve a reduction in consumption. However, I do advocate for degrowth and reduction. Consuming less actually has a lot of net benefits for life. In this regard I think it's good to present some optional ideas and their possible benefits for the average person: * Buying a more modest apartment or house can mean working less or retiring sooner * Close social media account, etc -- this means more quality time with friends and family. * Travelling less and appreciating the nice things near where you live (assuming you have them, not everyone does) * Use as little technology as possible. If there's some new fancy app, phone, or gadget, don't buy it or use it. This will reduce information overload and stress. And if done en masse, it would also start to dry up the revenue streams of large tech companies

bittercynic 4y ago
>...can mean working less or retiring sooner I think this is very central to the discussion, and one where many of us are utterly unable to comprehend the other side. Many people see (what I consider) excessive work as virtuous, and think you're committing a terrible sin if you don't work as much as possible. And if you're working all the time anyway, you may as well enjoy the spoils. When I look at that attitude it seems like some twisted version of the protestant work ethic mixed up with hyper-capitalism, and it seems to contribute to the person's own misery and cause misery for surrounding people. To them, I'm sure I appear to be a lazy bum. Loafing around and wasting my life, not contributing as much as I could to "the economy". Is one way objectively better than the other? I don't know, but I'm sure I prefer my way.
Adiqq 4y ago
> Buying a more modest apartment or house can mean working less or retiring sooner Additionally there should be some self-sustainability in community. I wouldn't mind, if apartament was connected to power grid that includes solar panels and batteries owned by this community, which effectively would lower my energy costs. I also think that many people wouldn't mind owning some affordable space nearby for your activities. Maybe some greenhouse, park or garden, maybe just some basement for small storage space for your online shop, maybe just regular shop or some cafeteria, maybe some workshop or server room, maybe just office, maybe some pool.

bittercynic 4y ago

>...can mean working less or retiring sooner I think this is very central to the discussion, and one where many of us are utterly unable to comprehend the other side. Many people see (what I consider) excessive work as virtuous, and think you're committing a terrible sin if you don't work as much as possible. And if you're working all the time anyway, you may as well enjoy the spoils. When I look at that attitude it seems like some twisted version of the protestant work ethic mixed up with hyper-capitalism, and it seems to contribute to the person's own misery and cause misery for surrounding people. To them, I'm sure I appear to be a lazy bum. Loafing around and wasting my life, not contributing as much as I could to "the economy". Is one way objectively better than the other? I don't know, but I'm sure I prefer my way.

Adiqq 4y ago

> Buying a more modest apartment or house can mean working less or retiring sooner Additionally there should be some self-sustainability in community. I wouldn't mind, if apartament was connected to power grid that includes solar panels and batteries owned by this community, which effectively would lower my energy costs. I also think that many people wouldn't mind owning some affordable space nearby for your activities. Maybe some greenhouse, park or garden, maybe just some basement for small storage space for your online shop, maybe just regular shop or some cafeteria, maybe some workshop or server room, maybe just office, maybe some pool.