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Putin's and Musk's massive ego and narcissism will be their downfall. By invading Ukraine, Putin has achieved the exact opposite he wanted to achieve. The West

Putin's and Musk's massive ego and narcissism will be their downfall. By invading Ukraine, Putin has achieved the exact opposite he wanted to achieve. The West is now more united than ever and more Russia border countries are going to join NATO. On top of that he has destroyed Russian economy. Tell me how that's not stupid? I don't even have to go into Musk's actions. He massively overpaid for Twitter and to service the loan he has to pay $1bn a year. Even if he'd cut all his staff and millions would subscribe to Twitter blue - that wouldn't be enough to service the loan. Plus tons of advertisers left the platform because he's a loose canon spewing conspiracy theories. How is this not stupid?

LAC-Tech 4y ago
By invading Ukraine, Putin has achieved the exact opposite he wanted to achieve. The West is now more united than ever and more Russia border countries are going to join NATO. On top of that he has destroyed Russian economy. Tell me how that's not stupid? But he likely saw the alternative as Ukraine in NATO, colour revolutions spreading to Russia, and ending up like Gadaffi (whose gruesome death he was said to have watched on video over and over again). Probably he regrets not doing it sooner, when the Ukranian military was in much worse shape.
- palata 4y ago
  This. From his point of view, he was pushed to that. Of course I condemn it, but if we could accept that he does not perceive the West the way we do, maybe it would help. From where he stands, democracy is a threat. The fact that we disagree won't change it.
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  Maybe. But I find Bill Browder’s explanation more plausible. Essentially Putin is like a Mafia boss and his organisation has been stealing from the Russian for years and years. To keep up his regime and organisation he needs to create conflicts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Browder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Browder Also watch the documentary by Navalny that exposed Putin… one reason why he is now in prison.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  If he was really that worried about being the next Gadaffi, he could have just retired to a countryside home and set things up so his cronies took over. Even if the cronies fucked up and became the next Gadaffi, Putin himself would have been mostly forgotten by then and all the rage would have been directed to the people actually in charge at the time. However, when you have narcissistic personality disorder, as Putin does, doing the above just isn't an option.
- marcosdumay 4y ago
  Why don't those people just liquidate some sizeable amount of money that would last for a few generations and run away into some country that is receptive to rich murderers? Every dictators seems to have the need to sink with their governments and take the country together for a ride.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  > But he likely saw the alternative as Ukraine in NATO This is nonsense. Specially after 2014. > colour revolutions spreading to Russia Revolutions are not successful unless driving by elites of that country.
bilvar 4y ago
When you arrive at the point that you need to draw parallels between Putin and Musk, you seriously need to stop watching the news.
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  Not drawing parallels, just responding to parent poster who brought up both those characters.
PM_me_your_math 4y ago
Yes, everyone who disagrees with you, or does something you don't understand is stupid.
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  Please explain how their actions were / are not stupid?
lupire 4y ago
Downfall at 70+ years old is winning, not losing.
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  > Downfall at 70+ years old is winning, not losing. Winning at what? Oppressing and exploiting ppl for his own gain and being responsible for thousands and thousands of civilians being murdered? Not something I’d admire if I were you.
  - lupire 4y ago
    Putin doesn't care what you or I admire.
IX-103 4y ago
Putin is not as stupid as Musk. He's causing the EU to fracture a bit more as Hungary and Poland break with the EU on boycotting Russian gas/oil. The EU has already spun off the UK thanks to Russian propaganda. If Trump had won his reelection NATO wouldn't be long for the world either. Plus, if you look at the way Musk got played recently to spread Russian talking points about Ukraine in order to protect his precious Starlink from weapons Russia probably doesn't even have, it becomes somewhat more obvious how the comparison breaks down.
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  What do you think the outlook will be for the Russian economy and Russian people after this war is over and Ukraine has won? Do you think Russia will be in a better place than it was before this war?
- panick21_ 4y ago
  > He's causing the EU to fracture a bit more as Hungary and Poland break with the EU on boycotting Russian gas/oil. Nonsense. Temporary disruption and disagreement over energy politics will not lead to a long term break in the fundamental political alignment of Poland and Hungary and will certainty not break the EU. > Plus, if you look at the way Musk got played recently to spread Russian talking points about Ukraine in order to protect his precious Starlink from weapons Russia probably doesn't even have, it becomes somewhat more obvious how the comparison breaks down. You seem to love to make lots of assumptions without evidence. First of all, not everybody who doesn't support war until all parts of Ukraine are recovered is a Russian tool. Most wars end on compromise and both sides usually try to shoot down anybody who suggest a compromise. And if you really think he did this to protect Starlink you have a series lack of understanding of space politics and relative capability.

LAC-Tech 4y ago

By invading Ukraine, Putin has achieved the exact opposite he wanted to achieve. The West is now more united than ever and more Russia border countries are going to join NATO. On top of that he has destroyed Russian economy. Tell me how that's not stupid? But he likely saw the alternative as Ukraine in NATO, colour revolutions spreading to Russia, and ending up like Gadaffi (whose gruesome death he was said to have watched on video over and over again). Probably he regrets not doing it sooner, when the Ukranian military was in much worse shape.

palata 4y ago
This. From his point of view, he was pushed to that. Of course I condemn it, but if we could accept that he does not perceive the West the way we do, maybe it would help. From where he stands, democracy is a threat. The fact that we disagree won't change it.
uxcolumbo 4y ago
Maybe. But I find Bill Browder’s explanation more plausible. Essentially Putin is like a Mafia boss and his organisation has been stealing from the Russian for years and years. To keep up his regime and organisation he needs to create conflicts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Browder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Browder Also watch the documentary by Navalny that exposed Putin… one reason why he is now in prison.
midoridensha 4y ago
If he was really that worried about being the next Gadaffi, he could have just retired to a countryside home and set things up so his cronies took over. Even if the cronies fucked up and became the next Gadaffi, Putin himself would have been mostly forgotten by then and all the rage would have been directed to the people actually in charge at the time. However, when you have narcissistic personality disorder, as Putin does, doing the above just isn't an option.
marcosdumay 4y ago
Why don't those people just liquidate some sizeable amount of money that would last for a few generations and run away into some country that is receptive to rich murderers? Every dictators seems to have the need to sink with their governments and take the country together for a ride.
panick21_ 4y ago
> But he likely saw the alternative as Ukraine in NATO This is nonsense. Specially after 2014. > colour revolutions spreading to Russia Revolutions are not successful unless driving by elites of that country.

bilvar 4y ago

When you arrive at the point that you need to draw parallels between Putin and Musk, you seriously need to stop watching the news.

uxcolumbo 4y ago
Not drawing parallels, just responding to parent poster who brought up both those characters.

PM_me_your_math 4y ago

Yes, everyone who disagrees with you, or does something you don't understand is stupid.

uxcolumbo 4y ago
Please explain how their actions were / are not stupid?

lupire 4y ago

Downfall at 70+ years old is winning, not losing.

uxcolumbo 4y ago
> Downfall at 70+ years old is winning, not losing. Winning at what? Oppressing and exploiting ppl for his own gain and being responsible for thousands and thousands of civilians being murdered? Not something I’d admire if I were you.
- lupire 4y ago
  Putin doesn't care what you or I admire.

IX-103 4y ago

Putin is not as stupid as Musk. He's causing the EU to fracture a bit more as Hungary and Poland break with the EU on boycotting Russian gas/oil. The EU has already spun off the UK thanks to Russian propaganda. If Trump had won his reelection NATO wouldn't be long for the world either. Plus, if you look at the way Musk got played recently to spread Russian talking points about Ukraine in order to protect his precious Starlink from weapons Russia probably doesn't even have, it becomes somewhat more obvious how the comparison breaks down.

uxcolumbo 4y ago
What do you think the outlook will be for the Russian economy and Russian people after this war is over and Ukraine has won? Do you think Russia will be in a better place than it was before this war?
panick21_ 4y ago
> He's causing the EU to fracture a bit more as Hungary and Poland break with the EU on boycotting Russian gas/oil. Nonsense. Temporary disruption and disagreement over energy politics will not lead to a long term break in the fundamental political alignment of Poland and Hungary and will certainty not break the EU. > Plus, if you look at the way Musk got played recently to spread Russian talking points about Ukraine in order to protect his precious Starlink from weapons Russia probably doesn't even have, it becomes somewhat more obvious how the comparison breaks down. You seem to love to make lots of assumptions without evidence. First of all, not everybody who doesn't support war until all parts of Ukraine are recovered is a Russian tool. Most wars end on compromise and both sides usually try to shoot down anybody who suggest a compromise. And if you really think he did this to protect Starlink you have a series lack of understanding of space politics and relative capability.