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Jason: Back of the envelope... Twitter revenue per employee: $5B rev / 8k employees = $625K rev per employee in 2021 Google revenue per employee: $257B rev2/ 135K employee2= $1.9M per employee in 2021 Apple revenue per employee: $365B rev / 154k employees= $2.37M per employee in fiscal 2021 Jason: Twitter revenue per employee if 3k instead of 8k: $5B rev/ 3k employees= $1.66m rev per employee in 2021 (more industry standard) Elon: ["emphasized" above] Elon: Insane potential for improvement Jason: <Attachment-image/gif-lMG_2241.GIF> Jason: Day zero Jason: Sharpen your blades boys Jason: 2 day a week Office requirement= 20% voluntary departures Jason: https://twitter.com/jason/status/1515094823337832448?s=1O&t=CWr2U7sH4wVOsohPgjKRg https://twitter.com/jason/status/1515094823337832448?s=1O&t=... Jason: I mean, the product road map is beyond obviously Jason: Premium feature abound ... and twitter blue has exactly zero [unknown emoji] Jason: What committee came up with the list of dog shit features in Blue?!? It's worth paying to turn it off Elon: Yeah, what an insane piece of shit! Jason: Maybe we don't talk twitter on twitter OM @ Elon: Was just thinking that haha

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Twitter employees: “we’re going to vote to unionize” When you have nothing left to lose, why wouldn’t you? It brings the federal government in to provide support, on their dime no less. Worst case is everyone leaves, the NLRB finds against Musk, and he has to give folks their jobs back while Twitter is burning. “The strongest steel is forged in the fires of a dumpster.”
- memish 4y ago
  Why do that as opposed to leaving and competing against him if they have a better idea of how to operate a social media site? His naysayers are convinced he's going to destroy it anyway.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    This is not how you win in a rigged system against a billionaire who weaponizes his wealth against everyone who does not take a knee and flouts the law whenever they see fit. The path to success is voting for decency over power, so I suppose we’ll agree to disagree. To unionize costs Twitter folks only their time and effort. The tools exists, just have to use them. This is what a hacker would do, isn’t it? Use the tools available instead of being goaded into some other mechanisms out of “pride”? https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/employees/your-right-to-form-a-union https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em... https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/what-we-do/conduct-elections https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/what-we-do/conduct-elections
    - memish 4y ago
      Twitter employees are in the top 1%. They're not poor factory workers. They also own the means of production; a computer.
      - heavyset_go 4y ago
        Twitter employees certainly don't own Twitter's capital.
      - toomuchtodo 4y ago
        Tech workers are the new factory workers. I’m unsure why you’re advocating so hard for tolerating abuse from the extremely wealthy (cult of personality?), but that is your right. Abuse need not be tolerated when labor regulations provide you leverage against it.
        ilyt 4y ago
        Yeah, nah. Most of them can easily find work elsewhere for as good compensation.
        heavyset_go 4y ago
        So could factory workers.
        ericd 4y ago
        Let’s not be hyperbolic, it’s a ridiculously cushy job by comparison.
        eropple 4y ago
        That it's cushy (it is!) does not change that it's not a capital position. Your average tech worker makes company owners orders of magnitude more than your average factory worker, and are paid what they are because they can demand it. Business owners would pay less if they could. Why shouldn't tech workers, like any other worker, try to maximize their own lot in turn?
  - fnordpiglet 4y ago
    As an engineer I may not know how to run a better social media product. My skill in developing software doesn’t necessarily translate into successful business operator. But I sort of agree, if you’re top talent at twitter it’s time to leave.
- luckylion 4y ago
  "Nothing left to lose", except that $160k-500k yearly compensation.
  - fnordpiglet 4y ago
    When end of year hiring freezes and recession jitter layoffs end I don’t think well paid twitter employees will have much trouble finding better employment elsewhere.
  - mrits 4y ago
    In a couple years society has gone from working 40 hours a week at the office to being forced to as "nothing else to lose"
  - bart_spoon 4y ago
    Increased work hours, forced relocation to one of the most expensive metros in the the world, and threat of imminent job loss probably make that yearly compensation less attractive in reality than it is on paper.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      Oh, probably. But it's a great argument not to unionize, especially so because the employees are supposedly very valuable and will not have trouble finding a new company that will pay similar salaries and give them permanent WFH. Unions are for the masses, not the elite.
    - PM_me_your_math 4y ago
      So like how business was done in 2019?
- pasquinelli 4y ago
  in that case it's good remote work won't be happening there. it's hard for remote workers to get organized.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    Not especially. "Hey what's your personal email/phone number?" "Here's an invite to this private slack we've been meeting up on."
    - pasquinelli 4y ago
      there's really something to be said for a group of people literally working together. for instance, before you get the ball rolling you'd like to have an idea of the level of interest and commitment of your fellow workers. your private slack will be filled with people that want a union, this gives you no idea who may not want a union at all, or, more importantly, who's on the fence. you can't make a pitch to those people on your slack, because they have better things to do with their time. but if you're all at work anyway...
  - fnordpiglet 4y ago
    If employees managed to organize productivity and profits at every enterprise on earth remotely, you’re probably not right they can’t organize a union unless it’s in person. I’ll point out productivity declines with RTO and everyone acted like they didn’t understand why productivity declined. All I can say is I’m excited to hire the best employees at twitter and let them work the way they work best.
    - pasquinelli 4y ago
      before they can organize as workers, they need to have class consciousness, and actually working with other workers helps.
      - lupire 4y ago
        Do you think maybe people, who work on computers at a computerized social communication company, have some way to communicate?
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- throwuwu 4y ago
  Pipe dreams
- orangepurple 4y ago
  Steel is forged in a fire regardless. Forged steel hardens with cycles of annealing and stress. Which is exactly what layoffs are. Cycles of heating and cooling. Lol
  - pianoben 4y ago
    Let me rephrase and see if I got this right: > Repeated layoffs strengthen a workforce It sounds to me like you may not have been through a layoff before...
  - saagarjha 4y ago
    Companies are not forged steel.
lbhdc 4y ago
What is the source for this conversation?
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  https://muskmessages.com/d/34.html https://muskmessages.com/d/34.html
  - Topgamer7 4y ago
    It took me way to long to see that Like " ... " meant the emote on the message.
  - diydsp 4y ago
    This is an incredible link... >Day zero 2022-04-15 17:22:12 ( CDT ) >Sharpen your blades boys 2022-04-15 17:22:59 ( CDT ) >2 day a week Office requirement = 20 % voluntary departures --- These people really don't understand the branding of Apple vs Twitter: >Back of the envelope ... Twitter revenue per employee : $ 5B rev / 8k employees = $ 625K rev per employee in 2021 Google revenue per employee : $ 257B rev / 135K employee = $ 1.9M per employee in 2021 Apple revenue per employee : $ 365B rev / 154k employees = $ 2.37M per employee in fiscal 2021 2022-04-15 17:08:07 ( CDT ) >Twitter revenue per employee if 3k instead of 8k : $ 5B rev / 3k employees = $ 1.66m rev per employee in 2021 ( more industry standard ) --- hard to tell if this is sarcasm?! >I will be universally beloved , since it is so easy to please everyone on twitter 2022-04-23 21:04:30 ( CDT ) >It feels like everyone wants the same exact thing , and they will be patient and understanding of any changes ... Twitter Stans are a reasonable , good faith bunch 2022-04-23 21:06:51 ( CDT ) >These dipshits spent a years on twitter blue to give people exactly .... Nothing they want ! --- The sycophantism is over 9k: > Morgan Stanley and Jared think you are using our friendship not in a good way 2022-05-12 19:31:12 ( CDT ) >This makes it seem like I'm desperate . 2022-05-12 19:31:17 ( CDT ) >Please stop 2022-05-12 19:31:48 ( CDT ) >Only ever want to support you . 2022-05-12 19:37:49 ( CDT ) >Clearly you're not desperate - you have the worlds greatest investors voting in support of a deal you already have covered . you're overfunded . will quietly cancel it ... And to be clear , I'm not out actively soliciting folks . These are our exiting LPs not rondos . Sorry for any trouble 2022-05-12 19:55:14 ( CDT ) >Morgan Stanley and Jared are very upset 2022-05-12 19:55:55 ( CDT ) >Ugh 2022-05-12 19:58:44 ( CDT ) >SPVs are how everyone is doing there deals now ... Luke loved to SPVS etc 2022-05-12 19:59:13 ( CDT ) >Just trying to support you ... obviously . I reached out to Jared and sort it out . 2022-05-12 20:00:53 ( CDT ) >* moved 2022-05-12 20:01:54 ( CDT ) >Yes , I had to ask him to stop . 2022-05-12 20:06:45 ( CDT ) >Liked " Just trying to support you ... obviously . I reached out to Jared and sort it out . " 2022-05-12 22:49:00 ( CDT ) >Cleaned it up with Jared 2022-05-12 22:49:12 ( CDT ) >Liked " Cleaned it up with Jared " 2022-05-12 22:49:58 ( CDT ) >I get where he is coming from .... Candidly , This deal has just captures the worlds imagination in an unimaginable way . It's bonkers .... 2022-05-12 22:51:42 ( CDT ) >And you know I'm ride or die brother - I'd jump on a grande for you 2022-05-12 22:51:49 ( CDT ) >Loved " And you know I'm ride or die brother - I'd jump on a grande for you "
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alexpetralia 4y ago
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23112929-elon-musk-text-exhibits-twitter-v-musk https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23112929-elon-musk-t... Page 20

toomuchtodo 4y ago

Twitter employees: “we’re going to vote to unionize” When you have nothing left to lose, why wouldn’t you? It brings the federal government in to provide support, on their dime no less. Worst case is everyone leaves, the NLRB finds against Musk, and he has to give folks their jobs back while Twitter is burning. “The strongest steel is forged in the fires of a dumpster.”

memish 4y ago
Why do that as opposed to leaving and competing against him if they have a better idea of how to operate a social media site? His naysayers are convinced he's going to destroy it anyway.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  This is not how you win in a rigged system against a billionaire who weaponizes his wealth against everyone who does not take a knee and flouts the law whenever they see fit. The path to success is voting for decency over power, so I suppose we’ll agree to disagree. To unionize costs Twitter folks only their time and effort. The tools exists, just have to use them. This is what a hacker would do, isn’t it? Use the tools available instead of being goaded into some other mechanisms out of “pride”? https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/employees/your-right-to-form-a-union https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em... https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/what-we-do/conduct-elections https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/what-we-do/conduct-elections
  - memish 4y ago
    Twitter employees are in the top 1%. They're not poor factory workers. They also own the means of production; a computer.
    - heavyset_go 4y ago
      Twitter employees certainly don't own Twitter's capital.
    - toomuchtodo 4y ago
      Tech workers are the new factory workers. I’m unsure why you’re advocating so hard for tolerating abuse from the extremely wealthy (cult of personality?), but that is your right. Abuse need not be tolerated when labor regulations provide you leverage against it.
      - ilyt 4y ago
        Yeah, nah. Most of them can easily find work elsewhere for as good compensation.
        heavyset_go 4y ago
        So could factory workers.
      - ericd 4y ago
        Let’s not be hyperbolic, it’s a ridiculously cushy job by comparison.
        eropple 4y ago
        That it's cushy (it is!) does not change that it's not a capital position. Your average tech worker makes company owners orders of magnitude more than your average factory worker, and are paid what they are because they can demand it. Business owners would pay less if they could. Why shouldn't tech workers, like any other worker, try to maximize their own lot in turn?
- fnordpiglet 4y ago
  As an engineer I may not know how to run a better social media product. My skill in developing software doesn’t necessarily translate into successful business operator. But I sort of agree, if you’re top talent at twitter it’s time to leave.
luckylion 4y ago
"Nothing left to lose", except that $160k-500k yearly compensation.
- fnordpiglet 4y ago
  When end of year hiring freezes and recession jitter layoffs end I don’t think well paid twitter employees will have much trouble finding better employment elsewhere.
- mrits 4y ago
  In a couple years society has gone from working 40 hours a week at the office to being forced to as "nothing else to lose"
- bart_spoon 4y ago
  Increased work hours, forced relocation to one of the most expensive metros in the the world, and threat of imminent job loss probably make that yearly compensation less attractive in reality than it is on paper.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    Oh, probably. But it's a great argument not to unionize, especially so because the employees are supposedly very valuable and will not have trouble finding a new company that will pay similar salaries and give them permanent WFH. Unions are for the masses, not the elite.
  - PM_me_your_math 4y ago
    So like how business was done in 2019?
pasquinelli 4y ago
in that case it's good remote work won't be happening there. it's hard for remote workers to get organized.
- fragmede 4y ago
  Not especially. "Hey what's your personal email/phone number?" "Here's an invite to this private slack we've been meeting up on."
  - pasquinelli 4y ago
    there's really something to be said for a group of people literally working together. for instance, before you get the ball rolling you'd like to have an idea of the level of interest and commitment of your fellow workers. your private slack will be filled with people that want a union, this gives you no idea who may not want a union at all, or, more importantly, who's on the fence. you can't make a pitch to those people on your slack, because they have better things to do with their time. but if you're all at work anyway...
- fnordpiglet 4y ago
  If employees managed to organize productivity and profits at every enterprise on earth remotely, you’re probably not right they can’t organize a union unless it’s in person. I’ll point out productivity declines with RTO and everyone acted like they didn’t understand why productivity declined. All I can say is I’m excited to hire the best employees at twitter and let them work the way they work best.
  - pasquinelli 4y ago
    before they can organize as workers, they need to have class consciousness, and actually working with other workers helps.
    - lupire 4y ago
      Do you think maybe people, who work on computers at a computerized social communication company, have some way to communicate?
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throwuwu 4y ago
Pipe dreams
orangepurple 4y ago
Steel is forged in a fire regardless. Forged steel hardens with cycles of annealing and stress. Which is exactly what layoffs are. Cycles of heating and cooling. Lol
- pianoben 4y ago
  Let me rephrase and see if I got this right: > Repeated layoffs strengthen a workforce It sounds to me like you may not have been through a layoff before...
- saagarjha 4y ago
  Companies are not forged steel.

lbhdc 4y ago

What is the source for this conversation?

zimpenfish 4y ago
https://muskmessages.com/d/34.html https://muskmessages.com/d/34.html
- Topgamer7 4y ago
  It took me way to long to see that Like " ... " meant the emote on the message.
- diydsp 4y ago
  This is an incredible link... >Day zero 2022-04-15 17:22:12 ( CDT ) >Sharpen your blades boys 2022-04-15 17:22:59 ( CDT ) >2 day a week Office requirement = 20 % voluntary departures --- These people really don't understand the branding of Apple vs Twitter: >Back of the envelope ... Twitter revenue per employee : $ 5B rev / 8k employees = $ 625K rev per employee in 2021 Google revenue per employee : $ 257B rev / 135K employee = $ 1.9M per employee in 2021 Apple revenue per employee : $ 365B rev / 154k employees = $ 2.37M per employee in fiscal 2021 2022-04-15 17:08:07 ( CDT ) >Twitter revenue per employee if 3k instead of 8k : $ 5B rev / 3k employees = $ 1.66m rev per employee in 2021 ( more industry standard ) --- hard to tell if this is sarcasm?! >I will be universally beloved , since it is so easy to please everyone on twitter 2022-04-23 21:04:30 ( CDT ) >It feels like everyone wants the same exact thing , and they will be patient and understanding of any changes ... Twitter Stans are a reasonable , good faith bunch 2022-04-23 21:06:51 ( CDT ) >These dipshits spent a years on twitter blue to give people exactly .... Nothing they want ! --- The sycophantism is over 9k: > Morgan Stanley and Jared think you are using our friendship not in a good way 2022-05-12 19:31:12 ( CDT ) >This makes it seem like I'm desperate . 2022-05-12 19:31:17 ( CDT ) >Please stop 2022-05-12 19:31:48 ( CDT ) >Only ever want to support you . 2022-05-12 19:37:49 ( CDT ) >Clearly you're not desperate - you have the worlds greatest investors voting in support of a deal you already have covered . you're overfunded . will quietly cancel it ... And to be clear , I'm not out actively soliciting folks . These are our exiting LPs not rondos . Sorry for any trouble 2022-05-12 19:55:14 ( CDT ) >Morgan Stanley and Jared are very upset 2022-05-12 19:55:55 ( CDT ) >Ugh 2022-05-12 19:58:44 ( CDT ) >SPVs are how everyone is doing there deals now ... Luke loved to SPVS etc 2022-05-12 19:59:13 ( CDT ) >Just trying to support you ... obviously . I reached out to Jared and sort it out . 2022-05-12 20:00:53 ( CDT ) >* moved 2022-05-12 20:01:54 ( CDT ) >Yes , I had to ask him to stop . 2022-05-12 20:06:45 ( CDT ) >Liked " Just trying to support you ... obviously . I reached out to Jared and sort it out . " 2022-05-12 22:49:00 ( CDT ) >Cleaned it up with Jared 2022-05-12 22:49:12 ( CDT ) >Liked " Cleaned it up with Jared " 2022-05-12 22:49:58 ( CDT ) >I get where he is coming from .... Candidly , This deal has just captures the worlds imagination in an unimaginable way . It's bonkers .... 2022-05-12 22:51:42 ( CDT ) >And you know I'm ride or die brother - I'd jump on a grande for you 2022-05-12 22:51:49 ( CDT ) >Loved " And you know I'm ride or die brother - I'd jump on a grande for you "

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