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Really feel bad for anyone who went out and bought a house in another place or made life decisions based on this policy which is likely a lot of people. This is

by bogota 4y ago

Really feel bad for anyone who went out and bought a house in another place or made life decisions based on this policy which is likely a lot of people. This is really showing that you don’t respect or care about your employees which is par for the course for musk. However i think what he is forgetting is that Twitter isn’t some amazing challenge to solve like self driving or rockets. I think you will see a very understaffed twitter in the future.

Firmwarrior 4y ago
Man, that's an interesting point I could imagine putting up with a lot of shit from Elon if I believed I was building a better future for humanity in the process, but it's hard to see how a social network is accomplishing that
- padjo 4y ago
  Yep you get away with a lot of shitty leadership and tough conditions if you can get everyone to buy in to the mission. Hard to see how you could convince anyone that twitter is worth fighting for now.
literalAardvark 4y ago
Debatable. "The town square for the world" is a lofty enough goal.
- bogota 4y ago
  Every company has a cool tagline for how they are changing the world. Very few are.
  - baobabKoodaa 4y ago
    Do the workers actually drink this kool-aid, though?
    - bogota 4y ago
      Yeah that is the real question. If musk can sell this to the employees and turn twitter into a tesla/spacex culture i would honestly never bet against him again. I would also be curious to read about how he was able to do that.
refurb 4y ago
You'd have to be aware of the risks of buying a house somewhere far from the office. Nothing says the company can't change their mind.
- bogota 4y ago
  Sure everything has a risk. I have a remote contract currently that they could decide they want a centralized office and will let me go if I don’t move. That risk should be seen as fairly low when the C suit has committed to it and if it does change it sucks. I would still feel bad for those people. Im not sure if you are trying to say that because risk is involved we shouldn’t empathize?
dehrmann 4y ago
> Really feel bad for anyone who went out and bought a house in another place or made life decisions based on this policy which is likely a lot of people. I don't. The usual recommendation for buying a house is if you're going to stay there for 5+ years. Job hopping in the valley every 3 years is pretty common. Committing to the remote work lifestyle with an expensive home when it's not clear how long WFH will be an option is a risky move.
- Jcowell 4y ago
  > Committing to the remote work lifestyle with an expensive home when it's not clear how long WFH will be an option is a risky move. I mean buying a house based on a program labeled “permanent” seems pretty low risk to me (especially if you’re in a position making a salary where you can buy a house). Who could predict that a billionaire would decide to piss in their own cereal and fuck up that plan in the process?
- bogota 4y ago
  You don’t have to be in a bad position for this to become a stressful situation. A little empathy goes a long way. Im sure most of the engineers will be fine however even if you have money in the bank and are fine for years without a job the sudden shock of being thrown into a crap economic environment or being forced to move isn’t fun. My dad was in the military and I didn’t have a choice but to move every few years when i was growing up. Even with a guaranteed job it’s an extremely stressful situation for a family to be put in.

by bogota 4y ago

Firmwarrior 4y ago

Man, that's an interesting point I could imagine putting up with a lot of shit from Elon if I believed I was building a better future for humanity in the process, but it's hard to see how a social network is accomplishing that

padjo 4y ago
Yep you get away with a lot of shitty leadership and tough conditions if you can get everyone to buy in to the mission. Hard to see how you could convince anyone that twitter is worth fighting for now.

literalAardvark 4y ago

Debatable. "The town square for the world" is a lofty enough goal.

bogota 4y ago
Every company has a cool tagline for how they are changing the world. Very few are.
- baobabKoodaa 4y ago
  Do the workers actually drink this kool-aid, though?
  - bogota 4y ago
    Yeah that is the real question. If musk can sell this to the employees and turn twitter into a tesla/spacex culture i would honestly never bet against him again. I would also be curious to read about how he was able to do that.

refurb 4y ago

You'd have to be aware of the risks of buying a house somewhere far from the office. Nothing says the company can't change their mind.

bogota 4y ago
Sure everything has a risk. I have a remote contract currently that they could decide they want a centralized office and will let me go if I don’t move. That risk should be seen as fairly low when the C suit has committed to it and if it does change it sucks. I would still feel bad for those people. Im not sure if you are trying to say that because risk is involved we shouldn’t empathize?

dehrmann 4y ago

> Really feel bad for anyone who went out and bought a house in another place or made life decisions based on this policy which is likely a lot of people. I don't. The usual recommendation for buying a house is if you're going to stay there for 5+ years. Job hopping in the valley every 3 years is pretty common. Committing to the remote work lifestyle with an expensive home when it's not clear how long WFH will be an option is a risky move.

Jcowell 4y ago
> Committing to the remote work lifestyle with an expensive home when it's not clear how long WFH will be an option is a risky move. I mean buying a house based on a program labeled “permanent” seems pretty low risk to me (especially if you’re in a position making a salary where you can buy a house). Who could predict that a billionaire would decide to piss in their own cereal and fuck up that plan in the process?
bogota 4y ago
You don’t have to be in a bad position for this to become a stressful situation. A little empathy goes a long way. Im sure most of the engineers will be fine however even if you have money in the bank and are fine for years without a job the sudden shock of being thrown into a crap economic environment or being forced to move isn’t fun. My dad was in the military and I didn’t have a choice but to move every few years when i was growing up. Even with a guaranteed job it’s an extremely stressful situation for a family to be put in.