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He's talking about adverse events following covid vaccination. For example, see: "The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated P

He's talking about adverse events following covid vaccination. For example, see: "The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients-A Large Population-Based Study" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ Above-normal levels of myocarditis and pericarditis were associated with vaccination (Pfizer has been used in Israel where the study originates) but not with covid-19 infection.

HarryHirsch 4y ago
Someone who discusses Covid vaccination complications must also discuss Covid complications. It's well established that Covid is a vascular disease, and the risk of stroke is significantly increased in the year after a Covid infection. Anecdotally, my mother-in-law's dementia got much worse after she caught Covid. That stuff is nothing that I want, and the Covid minimizers encourage the spread of a dangerous infectious disease.
- User23 4y ago
  Was your mother in law vaccinated? If so then how do we tell if that or the disease caused the damage. It could even be some kind of synergy between them, like ADE.
  - HarryHirsch 4y ago
    My in-laws are on the conspiracy theory spectrum and not vaccinated. Sorry to bust a hole in your theory.
- briandon 4y ago
  The covid vaccinations in wide use now (e.g. the mRNA-based shots, adenovirus-vector shots, and the Novavax protein-based shots) either cause your own cells to create or directly insert modified versions of covid spike systems into a person's circulatory system. The biodistribution study conducted by Pfizer for the Japanese government (using LNPs with a non-mRNA payload) showed that the LNPs did not all remain at the injection site but rather spread far and wide throughout the body and accumulated in particular organs. You have my sincere sympathy with regards to your mother-in-law's condition. I have heard similar and worse anecdotes in which covid vaccines (especially boosters i.e. nth shots) have been the culprits and seen some severe adverse reactions in close acquaintances.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
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- wen_1k_btc 4y ago
  That seems reasonable. Would you also agree to discuss COVID vaccine complications when discussing COVID infection complications?
mschuster91 4y ago
> Above-normal levels of myocarditis and pericarditis were associated with vaccination (Pfizer has been used in Israel where the study originates) but not with covid-19 infection. Studies in the UK [1] and US [2] have shown that while, yes, there is an increased risk for myocarditis in vaccinated people, the risk of myocarditis in infected people is way higher. [1] https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.... [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/
- chedca21 4y ago
  If you take an intramuscular injection without aspirating the needle to make sure it's not found a blood vessel in the deltoid, you risk cardiovascular damage pointlessly. The standard of practice is so absurd and flawed yet its going to take years longer before people like you become aware of how badly we've been mislead.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    This particular medical error scenario has been identified quickly with the covid vaccines and staff has been warned and trained.
  - nradov 4y ago
    One mouse study found that vaccine injection without aspiration did significantly increase the risk of adverse cardiac events. That research hasn't been reproduced in humans but this area deserves further investigation. At least early in the pandemic, US healthcare providers weren't routinely aspirating. https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciab941 https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciab941 https://doi.org/10.1007/s43440-022-00361-4 https://doi.org/10.1007/s43440-022-00361-4 http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/postgradmedj-2021-141119 http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/postgradmedj-2021-141119
    - mschuster91 4y ago
      > At least early in the pandemic, US healthcare providers weren't routinely aspirating. ... What? Here in Germany, that's like one of the basic things that people who deal with needles on anything alive learn.
taolegal 4y ago
I'm talking about any adverse event, like with the swine flu vaccine from the 2000s, for example, where people came down with narcolepsy. Then there's the swine flu vaccine from the 70s that caused GBS. It's just clear to me that saying "it's always better compared to infection" is just a lie. For the overwhelming majority, sure, but for enough people it's life-altering if not life-ending.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > For the overwhelming majority, sure, but for enough people it's life-altering if not life-ending. I do not deny that vaccines can cause adverse effects - but outside of vaccine trials and Army experimental vaccines, the rate of adverse effects is vastly lower than the rate of the same adverse effect that people experience who get infected.

HarryHirsch 4y ago

Someone who discusses Covid vaccination complications must also discuss Covid complications. It's well established that Covid is a vascular disease, and the risk of stroke is significantly increased in the year after a Covid infection. Anecdotally, my mother-in-law's dementia got much worse after she caught Covid. That stuff is nothing that I want, and the Covid minimizers encourage the spread of a dangerous infectious disease.

User23 4y ago
Was your mother in law vaccinated? If so then how do we tell if that or the disease caused the damage. It could even be some kind of synergy between them, like ADE.
- HarryHirsch 4y ago
  My in-laws are on the conspiracy theory spectrum and not vaccinated. Sorry to bust a hole in your theory.
briandon 4y ago
The covid vaccinations in wide use now (e.g. the mRNA-based shots, adenovirus-vector shots, and the Novavax protein-based shots) either cause your own cells to create or directly insert modified versions of covid spike systems into a person's circulatory system. The biodistribution study conducted by Pfizer for the Japanese government (using LNPs with a non-mRNA payload) showed that the LNPs did not all remain at the injection site but rather spread far and wide throughout the body and accumulated in particular organs. You have my sincere sympathy with regards to your mother-in-law's condition. I have heard similar and worse anecdotes in which covid vaccines (especially boosters i.e. nth shots) have been the culprits and seen some severe adverse reactions in close acquaintances.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
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wen_1k_btc 4y ago
That seems reasonable. Would you also agree to discuss COVID vaccine complications when discussing COVID infection complications?

mschuster91 4y ago

> Above-normal levels of myocarditis and pericarditis were associated with vaccination (Pfizer has been used in Israel where the study originates) but not with covid-19 infection. Studies in the UK [1] and US [2] have shown that while, yes, there is an increased risk for myocarditis in vaccinated people, the risk of myocarditis in infected people is way higher. [1] https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.... [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/

chedca21 4y ago
If you take an intramuscular injection without aspirating the needle to make sure it's not found a blood vessel in the deltoid, you risk cardiovascular damage pointlessly. The standard of practice is so absurd and flawed yet its going to take years longer before people like you become aware of how badly we've been mislead.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  This particular medical error scenario has been identified quickly with the covid vaccines and staff has been warned and trained.
- nradov 4y ago
  One mouse study found that vaccine injection without aspiration did significantly increase the risk of adverse cardiac events. That research hasn't been reproduced in humans but this area deserves further investigation. At least early in the pandemic, US healthcare providers weren't routinely aspirating. https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciab941 https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciab941 https://doi.org/10.1007/s43440-022-00361-4 https://doi.org/10.1007/s43440-022-00361-4 http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/postgradmedj-2021-141119 http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/postgradmedj-2021-141119
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    > At least early in the pandemic, US healthcare providers weren't routinely aspirating. ... What? Here in Germany, that's like one of the basic things that people who deal with needles on anything alive learn.

taolegal 4y ago

I'm talking about any adverse event, like with the swine flu vaccine from the 2000s, for example, where people came down with narcolepsy. Then there's the swine flu vaccine from the 70s that caused GBS. It's just clear to me that saying "it's always better compared to infection" is just a lie. For the overwhelming majority, sure, but for enough people it's life-altering if not life-ending.

mschuster91 4y ago
> For the overwhelming majority, sure, but for enough people it's life-altering if not life-ending. I do not deny that vaccines can cause adverse effects - but outside of vaccine trials and Army experimental vaccines, the rate of adverse effects is vastly lower than the rate of the same adverse effect that people experience who get infected.