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> Acquiring immunity by suffering through an actual infection is always, always worse than acquiring it by a vaccine say that to the whoever ends up coming dow

> Acquiring immunity by suffering through an actual infection is always, always worse than acquiring it by a vaccine say that to the whoever ends up coming down with narcolepsy, thrombocytopenia, acute peri/myo-carditis, shingles reactivation, etc.

HarryHirsch 4y ago
We've had a lot of shingles cases the last year because of immune system damage caused by Covid. What are you even talking about?
- taolegal 4y ago
  I had a family member come down with shingles shortly after getting boosted, hasn't been infected with covid in years. There's enough discussion about this happening after vaccination: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34579250/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34579250/ "Conclusion: This study indicates that the occurrence of VZV reactivation is clinically relevant. However, our findings suggest that COVID-19 vaccination is safe, and remains strongly recommended." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35931613/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35931613/ Of course there's the obligatory, robotic, throat-clearing that vaccines should still be taken even when they find evidence of a side-effect.
  - formerkrogemp 4y ago
    > I had a family member come down with shingles shortly after getting boosted, hasn't been infected with covid in years. Covid has only been around for a couple of years.
- briandon 4y ago
  He's talking about adverse events following covid vaccination. For example, see: "The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients-A Large Population-Based Study" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ Above-normal levels of myocarditis and pericarditis were associated with vaccination (Pfizer has been used in Israel where the study originates) but not with covid-19 infection.
  - HarryHirsch 4y ago
    Someone who discusses Covid vaccination complications must also discuss Covid complications. It's well established that Covid is a vascular disease, and the risk of stroke is significantly increased in the year after a Covid infection. Anecdotally, my mother-in-law's dementia got much worse after she caught Covid. That stuff is nothing that I want, and the Covid minimizers encourage the spread of a dangerous infectious disease.
    - User23 4y ago
      Was your mother in law vaccinated? If so then how do we tell if that or the disease caused the damage. It could even be some kind of synergy between them, like ADE.
      - HarryHirsch 4y ago
        My in-laws are on the conspiracy theory spectrum and not vaccinated. Sorry to bust a hole in your theory.
    - briandon 4y ago
      The covid vaccinations in wide use now (e.g. the mRNA-based shots, adenovirus-vector shots, and the Novavax protein-based shots) either cause your own cells to create or directly insert modified versions of covid spike systems into a person's circulatory system. The biodistribution study conducted by Pfizer for the Japanese government (using LNPs with a non-mRNA payload) showed that the LNPs did not all remain at the injection site but rather spread far and wide throughout the body and accumulated in particular organs. You have my sincere sympathy with regards to your mother-in-law's condition. I have heard similar and worse anecdotes in which covid vaccines (especially boosters i.e. nth shots) have been the culprits and seen some severe adverse reactions in close acquaintances.
      - mrguyorama 4y ago
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HarryHirsch 4y ago

We've had a lot of shingles cases the last year because of immune system damage caused by Covid. What are you even talking about?

taolegal 4y ago
I had a family member come down with shingles shortly after getting boosted, hasn't been infected with covid in years. There's enough discussion about this happening after vaccination: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34579250/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34579250/ "Conclusion: This study indicates that the occurrence of VZV reactivation is clinically relevant. However, our findings suggest that COVID-19 vaccination is safe, and remains strongly recommended." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35931613/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35931613/ Of course there's the obligatory, robotic, throat-clearing that vaccines should still be taken even when they find evidence of a side-effect.
- formerkrogemp 4y ago
  > I had a family member come down with shingles shortly after getting boosted, hasn't been infected with covid in years. Covid has only been around for a couple of years.
briandon 4y ago
He's talking about adverse events following covid vaccination. For example, see: "The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients-A Large Population-Based Study" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ Above-normal levels of myocarditis and pericarditis were associated with vaccination (Pfizer has been used in Israel where the study originates) but not with covid-19 infection.
- HarryHirsch 4y ago
  Someone who discusses Covid vaccination complications must also discuss Covid complications. It's well established that Covid is a vascular disease, and the risk of stroke is significantly increased in the year after a Covid infection. Anecdotally, my mother-in-law's dementia got much worse after she caught Covid. That stuff is nothing that I want, and the Covid minimizers encourage the spread of a dangerous infectious disease.
  - User23 4y ago
    Was your mother in law vaccinated? If so then how do we tell if that or the disease caused the damage. It could even be some kind of synergy between them, like ADE.
    - HarryHirsch 4y ago
      My in-laws are on the conspiracy theory spectrum and not vaccinated. Sorry to bust a hole in your theory.
  - briandon 4y ago
    The covid vaccinations in wide use now (e.g. the mRNA-based shots, adenovirus-vector shots, and the Novavax protein-based shots) either cause your own cells to create or directly insert modified versions of covid spike systems into a person's circulatory system. The biodistribution study conducted by Pfizer for the Japanese government (using LNPs with a non-mRNA payload) showed that the LNPs did not all remain at the injection site but rather spread far and wide throughout the body and accumulated in particular organs. You have my sincere sympathy with regards to your mother-in-law's condition. I have heard similar and worse anecdotes in which covid vaccines (especially boosters i.e. nth shots) have been the culprits and seen some severe adverse reactions in close acquaintances.
    - mrguyorama 4y ago
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