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It seems the quote marks might be there because 911 wasn't really called, but it was still very serious... If you work in walk-in emergency health care you ten

It seems the quote marks might be there because 911 wasn't really called, but it was still very serious... If you work in walk-in emergency health care you tend to take calling actual 911 way more seriously than most people do from what I understand, even though some would say there's not a huge difference between calling emergency services (911) and calling emergency services (non-emergency line). It's a point of nuance and a lot of people will tell you--911 is for the big and bad, usually near-deadly situations. Anyway it's interesting that there really was a legitimately deadly serious situation in multiple ways, and this person who represents the circumspect nursing community seemingly took even more additional circumspect care in phoning it in. When a lot of people in such a situation would have probably given up much earlier and perhaps even lost their composure & ability to work completely.

SQueeeeeL 4y ago
> this person who represents the circumspect nursing community seemingly took even more additional circumspect care in phoning it in. When a lot of people in such a situation would have probably given up much earlier and perhaps even lost their composure & ability to work completely. Remember y'all, every single nurse must be a superhuman who can deal with an infinite amount of stress of they're not a "real nurse". If only owners who didn't staff enough people in their medical facilities weren't "real owners" of said facilities, I think that would fix a lot of our issues.
- hallway_monitor 4y ago
  Can nurses unionize? It seems like they need it very badly. They get the short end of the stick with everything in medicine.
  - JshWright 4y ago
    There are plenty of facilities where nurses are unionized (and it is almost universally a net benefit to both the staff and patients).
  - ejb999 4y ago
    Yes they can unionize, and no it won't solve anything - most hospitals near me are unionized and they are still running critically short on nurses - you can't hire (or schedule) people that don't exist or don't work for you. The real problem is there are not enough nurses, and a big reason for that is there are not enough nursing schools or slots in the existing nursing schools and it is extremely competitive to get into these schools - even with outstanding grades. Just checked, the biggest hospital near me (in a medium-ish sized city) currently has 350+/- open nursing positions they are trying to hire for.
    - ticviking 4y ago
      That seems an awful lot to me like the "medical guild" is preventing enough people from being able to enter this profession to meet demand, which otherwise would be met at prevailing wage. I never once thought of nursing school spots as competitive when I was a student, you needed good grades but class ranking wouldn't come into it. I'm aware I'm not an expert here, and I'd love to understand what the actual barrier to training more nurses is.
      - kennend3 4y ago
        You called it. I have family looking to become a doctor in Canada, a country desperate for doctors. There is so much demand to get into the limited slots you can have a near-perfect score and still not get admitted. Canada's solution to this problem? Introduce a new test (CASPER) to further limit those who can apply. One of my daughters friends scored very well on the MCAT (Medical College Admission Test) but failed CASPER (????). These systems seemed "rigged" to artificially limit supply and drive up wages. She's now looking to the US so in the end, does Canada win by sending its medical professionals elsewhere? The unions are great, and had a place but now they work against the public's best interest by limiting supply to drive up wages. Cant be a nurse in Canada without joining the union. Everyone knows Salary is driven by salary/demand. Limit the supply what happens the price?
      - kennend3 4y ago
        Thinking about this more.. here's a classic example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dr-paul-hart-fogo-island-1.6577101 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dr-paul... An American doctor volunteers three months of FREE service and is denied a license? Normally they would use "lacks Canadian experience" but in this case he was Canadian trained. Not to worry, the licensing group found an excuse to deny his license. Because of COVID he was seeing patients virtually or over the phone. They managed to dig up some obscure ruling that doctors need to see patients in person, so license denied. And the general public, could they not have benefitted from 3 months of free service? This area is absolutely DESPERATE for a doctor, but the barriers to entry must be protected at all costs.
  - TYPE_FASTER 4y ago
    Interesting read on the impact of consolidation on the healthcare labor market: https://www.competitionpolicyinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/CPI-DePasquale.pdf https://www.competitionpolicyinternational.com/wp-content/up...

SQueeeeeL 4y ago

> this person who represents the circumspect nursing community seemingly took even more additional circumspect care in phoning it in. When a lot of people in such a situation would have probably given up much earlier and perhaps even lost their composure & ability to work completely. Remember y'all, every single nurse must be a superhuman who can deal with an infinite amount of stress of they're not a "real nurse". If only owners who didn't staff enough people in their medical facilities weren't "real owners" of said facilities, I think that would fix a lot of our issues.

hallway_monitor 4y ago
Can nurses unionize? It seems like they need it very badly. They get the short end of the stick with everything in medicine.
- JshWright 4y ago
  There are plenty of facilities where nurses are unionized (and it is almost universally a net benefit to both the staff and patients).
- ejb999 4y ago
  Yes they can unionize, and no it won't solve anything - most hospitals near me are unionized and they are still running critically short on nurses - you can't hire (or schedule) people that don't exist or don't work for you. The real problem is there are not enough nurses, and a big reason for that is there are not enough nursing schools or slots in the existing nursing schools and it is extremely competitive to get into these schools - even with outstanding grades. Just checked, the biggest hospital near me (in a medium-ish sized city) currently has 350+/- open nursing positions they are trying to hire for.
  - ticviking 4y ago
    That seems an awful lot to me like the "medical guild" is preventing enough people from being able to enter this profession to meet demand, which otherwise would be met at prevailing wage. I never once thought of nursing school spots as competitive when I was a student, you needed good grades but class ranking wouldn't come into it. I'm aware I'm not an expert here, and I'd love to understand what the actual barrier to training more nurses is.
    - kennend3 4y ago
      You called it. I have family looking to become a doctor in Canada, a country desperate for doctors. There is so much demand to get into the limited slots you can have a near-perfect score and still not get admitted. Canada's solution to this problem? Introduce a new test (CASPER) to further limit those who can apply. One of my daughters friends scored very well on the MCAT (Medical College Admission Test) but failed CASPER (????). These systems seemed "rigged" to artificially limit supply and drive up wages. She's now looking to the US so in the end, does Canada win by sending its medical professionals elsewhere? The unions are great, and had a place but now they work against the public's best interest by limiting supply to drive up wages. Cant be a nurse in Canada without joining the union. Everyone knows Salary is driven by salary/demand. Limit the supply what happens the price?
    - kennend3 4y ago
      Thinking about this more.. here's a classic example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dr-paul-hart-fogo-island-1.6577101 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dr-paul... An American doctor volunteers three months of FREE service and is denied a license? Normally they would use "lacks Canadian experience" but in this case he was Canadian trained. Not to worry, the licensing group found an excuse to deny his license. Because of COVID he was seeing patients virtually or over the phone. They managed to dig up some obscure ruling that doctors need to see patients in person, so license denied. And the general public, could they not have benefitted from 3 months of free service? This area is absolutely DESPERATE for a doctor, but the barriers to entry must be protected at all costs.
- TYPE_FASTER 4y ago
  Interesting read on the impact of consolidation on the healthcare labor market: https://www.competitionpolicyinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/CPI-DePasquale.pdf https://www.competitionpolicyinternational.com/wp-content/up...