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You won't like learning where Guido's been working for many years now...

meitham 4y ago
I find it astonishing that you thinking the current employer of the BDFL isn’t public knowledge! But even more astonishing that you alluding this can have an impact on the PSF. GvR working for Microsoft isn’t the same as Microsoft acquistion of GitHub.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Well, CPython performance only started to matter after Guido got hired by Microsoft, the wonders of big corps.
  - solarkraft 4y ago
    Having big corporations contribute to projects is totally great! The incentives are just fucky when they control them. My favorite example: VSCode is a great piece of software, but almost half of it is actually only available in a proprietary build from Microsoft's website that contains telemetry.
    - thiht 4y ago
      > but almost half of it is actually only available in a proprietary build from Microsoft Which half? VSCodium works great, so I'd go as far to say 99% of VSCode is actually open source (the name and icons being exceptions). You cannot say proprietary extensions are half of VSCode.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      I find so ironic that most people that complain about telemetry are also big Google Docs users, or Web apps in general. Not necessarly your case, but surely for most complainers.
ptx 4y ago
But Python itself is controlled by an independent foundation[1] and an elected steering council[2], which is very different from being owned by Microsoft. For example, if Microsoft wanted to change CPython to automatically collect sloppily anonymized user data and send it to Microsoft without asking, as they did with .NET[3], I would expect the steering council reject that proposal. [1] https://www.python.org/psf/ https://www.python.org/psf/ [2] https://peps.python.org/pep-0013/ https://peps.python.org/pep-0013/ [3] https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/issues/6145 https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/issues/6145
- pydry 4y ago
  He also stepped back after the whole walrus kerfuffle.

I find it astonishing that you thinking the current employer of the BDFL isn’t public knowledge! But even more astonishing that you alluding this can have an impact on the PSF. GvR working for Microsoft isn’t the same as Microsoft acquistion of GitHub.

pjmlp 4y ago
Well, CPython performance only started to matter after Guido got hired by Microsoft, the wonders of big corps.
- solarkraft 4y ago
  Having big corporations contribute to projects is totally great! The incentives are just fucky when they control them. My favorite example: VSCode is a great piece of software, but almost half of it is actually only available in a proprietary build from Microsoft's website that contains telemetry.
  - thiht 4y ago
    > but almost half of it is actually only available in a proprietary build from Microsoft Which half? VSCodium works great, so I'd go as far to say 99% of VSCode is actually open source (the name and icons being exceptions). You cannot say proprietary extensions are half of VSCode.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    I find so ironic that most people that complain about telemetry are also big Google Docs users, or Web apps in general. Not necessarly your case, but surely for most complainers.

ptx 4y ago

But Python itself is controlled by an independent foundation[1] and an elected steering council[2], which is very different from being owned by Microsoft. For example, if Microsoft wanted to change CPython to automatically collect sloppily anonymized user data and send it to Microsoft without asking, as they did with .NET[3], I would expect the steering council reject that proposal. [1] https://www.python.org/psf/ https://www.python.org/psf/ [2] https://peps.python.org/pep-0013/ https://peps.python.org/pep-0013/ [3] https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/issues/6145 https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/issues/6145

pydry 4y ago
He also stepped back after the whole walrus kerfuffle.