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OP suggests that having a large company behind a software tool (Microsoft in full control of Playright) is a positive thing and is an advantage over Selenium.
by meitham 4y ago
OP suggests that having a large company behind a software tool (Microsoft in full control of Playright) is a positive thing and is an advantage over Selenium.
I tend to see that negatively. Community driven projects (or non profit organisation behind them) like Python, Postgres, Firefox always are more trustworthy and likely to last longer in general.
- matai_kolila 4y agoYou won't like learning where Guido's been working for many years now...
- meitham 4y agoI find it astonishing that you thinking the current employer of the BDFL isn’t public knowledge! But even more astonishing that you alluding this can have an impact on the PSF. GvR working for Microsoft isn’t the same as Microsoft acquistion of GitHub.
- pjmlp 4y agoWell, CPython performance only started to matter after Guido got hired by Microsoft, the wonders of big corps.
- solarkraft 4y agoHaving big corporations contribute to projects is totally great! The incentives are just fucky when they control them. My favorite example: VSCode is a great piece of software, but almost half of it is actually only available in a proprietary build from Microsoft's website that contains telemetry.
- thiht 4y ago> but almost half of it is actually only available in a proprietary build from Microsoft Which half? VSCodium works great, so I'd go as far to say 99% of VSCode is actually open source (the name and icons being exceptions). You cannot say proprietary extensions are half of VSCode.
- pjmlp 4y agoI find so ironic that most people that complain about telemetry are also big Google Docs users, or Web apps in general. Not necessarly your case, but surely for most complainers.
- ptx 4y agoBut Python itself is controlled by an independent foundation[1] and an elected steering council[2], which is very different from being owned by Microsoft. For example, if Microsoft wanted to change CPython to automatically collect sloppily anonymized user data and send it to Microsoft without asking, as they did with .NET[3], I would expect the steering council reject that proposal. [1] https://www.python.org/psf/ https://www.python.org/psf/ [2] https://peps.python.org/pep-0013/ https://peps.python.org/pep-0013/ [3] https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/issues/6145 https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/issues/6145
- pydry 4y agoHe also stepped back after the whole walrus kerfuffle.
- EugeneOZ 4y agoGitHub is also owned by Microsoft. Playwright is Open Source - the worst thing that will happen if Microsoft will kill it - you’ll be able to use the latest release until you find some replacement.
- simplotek 4y ago> GitHub is also owned by Microsoft. GitHub was bought by Microsoft in 2018. Recently Microsoft announced they were killing off GitHub Atom. Being able to use the latest release of a dead project is no big reassurance. This might be an anecdotal case, but it is indeed real world proof that a project being backed by a company the likes of Microsoft does increase the odds of being killed off.
- v3ss0n 4y agoAtom was bad since day One
- ilyt 4y agoWell, it does not make sense to have two open source, JS based text editors/IDEs that are built on electron.
- pjmlp 4y agoAnd from both of them, better keep the one that is under Erich Gamma's stewardship, he just happens to know a couple of things about IDEs.