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you basically hit the spot. He never realized the phone with it's size and fit factor in everyday life cannot be replaced by a headset that is so intrusive. It'

you basically hit the spot. He never realized the phone with it's size and fit factor in everyday life cannot be replaced by a headset that is so intrusive. It's good for games but anything else likely a hassle to the norm.

rish1_2 4y ago
If I had to take a guess what will replace the iPhone it will likely be new sci-fi tech that makes the cell into a piece of see through slab of glass that is touch based. If this is possible to do in the future, I think people will start buying that. Until then iPhone will reign supreme!
- aklein 4y ago
  Makes me think of The Expanse (tv version)
- ianbutler 4y ago
  What does that solve for?
- physicles 4y ago
  Here's a depiction of just that in a concept video[1] from Microsoft in 2017. [1] https://youtu.be/wraF2DjALls?t=152 https://youtu.be/wraF2DjALls?t=152
- tqkxzugoaupvwqr 4y ago
  It will still be called iPhone.
  - queuebert 4y ago
    Eventually the complexity of the iPhone will force them to multiply by -i.
- ambrose2 4y ago
  What would that enable though? Aside from just a new “look” that’s more modern and makes your old phone look outdated? I think if you had something like google glass, but made my Apple, and looked like normal glasses, that could be big, but still not as useful as a smartphone because of the input limitation. It would be as useful as an Apple Watch at first, but with a bigger screen.
  - rish1_2 4y ago
    most consumer techs get popular from the "wow" factor and use cases are discovered later. Maybe the glass slab could be used to detect disease from your saliva. Who knows...
- mNovak 4y ago
  This is largely what every sci-fi film has predicted. Though, I don't really see the value of my cell phone being see-through, beside it looking cool.
  - rish1_2 4y ago
    iPhone was all about the cool factor. Touch based screens didn't add value to the initial consumer except for the "wow" factor. Actual value of touch based came much later. The tech needed the "wow" factor to start the chain reaction into something meaningful.
    - jjeaff 4y ago
      They were almost immediately useful, maybe not for the touch aspect but for the large screen that could actually browse the full web without being nearly as clunky as everything else on the market.
- scythe 4y ago
  It's really hard to make electrical conductors transparent, though. Indium tin oxide is the only significant exception and you probably couldn't make a microchip out of it.
VectorLock 4y ago
A lot of people said exactly this when cell phones were Zach Morris sized, but 3 decades later here we are. We can probably expect VR/AR to take about that long if not longer. So Mark might not be wrong, he just might be way early.
- rish1_2 4y ago
  you can't shrink your head. The smallest version is a pair of glasses. There was a privacy concern when people started wearing Google glasses in public if I remember correctly. The norm has to be respected until the norm changes.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - wilsonnb3 4y ago
    Why not a contact lens? Or a brain implant.
    - kodah 4y ago
      Facebook in my brain sounds like a nightmare.
    - scrame 4y ago
      worked great for Johnny mnemonic.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    The problem with Google Glasses was that they looked basically like glasses (being AR), in many ways other than size - starting with the fact that they were transparent. A VR headset, even if it's equally compact, won't look like glasses - certainly not if the designers don't want it to.
    - zelos 4y ago
      But Zuck is surely talking about AR glasses here, right? Full VR isn’t going to be a ubiquitous platform like phones/laptops etc.
insane_dreamer 4y ago
it's intrusive today; ultimately they'll look like a pair of regular glasses. Just like cell phones went from clunky beasts you couldn't even fit in your purse much less pocket, to a watch.
piyush_soni 4y ago
I think he's limited by the technology of our times, but I'd still agree with him that this is _the future_ (not sure how soon), and they probably want to be at the forefront when that happens.
LarsDu88 4y ago
Cellphones used to be massive. VR headsets will eventually be tiny. Now is Motorola - the original cellphone pioneer the top producer of cellphones today? Fuck no. Sometime by 2035 a company will build light field display glasses than can translate language, operate industrial drones, and operate remote chat. It probably won't be meta
- qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
  There might be meta-dna and libraries though in that compAny.
- jemmyw 4y ago
  The shrinkage of one technology platform in the past isn't enough to predict the shrinkage of another in the future. We're just so used to the idea of tech getting smaller and smaller, but I think we're reaching some limits that might make progress on VR or other immersive tech like that slower or even impossible. Well, fingers crossed that isn't the case. I for one am never strapping something anywhere near as large as current devices to my face as a replacement for sitting in front of a couple of monitors.

rish1_2 4y ago

If I had to take a guess what will replace the iPhone it will likely be new sci-fi tech that makes the cell into a piece of see through slab of glass that is touch based. If this is possible to do in the future, I think people will start buying that. Until then iPhone will reign supreme!

aklein 4y ago
Makes me think of The Expanse (tv version)
ianbutler 4y ago
What does that solve for?
physicles 4y ago
Here's a depiction of just that in a concept video[1] from Microsoft in 2017. [1] https://youtu.be/wraF2DjALls?t=152 https://youtu.be/wraF2DjALls?t=152
tqkxzugoaupvwqr 4y ago
It will still be called iPhone.
- queuebert 4y ago
  Eventually the complexity of the iPhone will force them to multiply by -i.
ambrose2 4y ago
What would that enable though? Aside from just a new “look” that’s more modern and makes your old phone look outdated? I think if you had something like google glass, but made my Apple, and looked like normal glasses, that could be big, but still not as useful as a smartphone because of the input limitation. It would be as useful as an Apple Watch at first, but with a bigger screen.
- rish1_2 4y ago
  most consumer techs get popular from the "wow" factor and use cases are discovered later. Maybe the glass slab could be used to detect disease from your saliva. Who knows...
mNovak 4y ago
This is largely what every sci-fi film has predicted. Though, I don't really see the value of my cell phone being see-through, beside it looking cool.
- rish1_2 4y ago
  iPhone was all about the cool factor. Touch based screens didn't add value to the initial consumer except for the "wow" factor. Actual value of touch based came much later. The tech needed the "wow" factor to start the chain reaction into something meaningful.
  - jjeaff 4y ago
    They were almost immediately useful, maybe not for the touch aspect but for the large screen that could actually browse the full web without being nearly as clunky as everything else on the market.
scythe 4y ago
It's really hard to make electrical conductors transparent, though. Indium tin oxide is the only significant exception and you probably couldn't make a microchip out of it.

VectorLock 4y ago

A lot of people said exactly this when cell phones were Zach Morris sized, but 3 decades later here we are. We can probably expect VR/AR to take about that long if not longer. So Mark might not be wrong, he just might be way early.

rish1_2 4y ago
you can't shrink your head. The smallest version is a pair of glasses. There was a privacy concern when people started wearing Google glasses in public if I remember correctly. The norm has to be respected until the norm changes.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- wilsonnb3 4y ago
  Why not a contact lens? Or a brain implant.
  - kodah 4y ago
    Facebook in my brain sounds like a nightmare.
  - scrame 4y ago
    worked great for Johnny mnemonic.
- int_19h 4y ago
  The problem with Google Glasses was that they looked basically like glasses (being AR), in many ways other than size - starting with the fact that they were transparent. A VR headset, even if it's equally compact, won't look like glasses - certainly not if the designers don't want it to.
  - zelos 4y ago
    But Zuck is surely talking about AR glasses here, right? Full VR isn’t going to be a ubiquitous platform like phones/laptops etc.

insane_dreamer 4y ago

it's intrusive today; ultimately they'll look like a pair of regular glasses. Just like cell phones went from clunky beasts you couldn't even fit in your purse much less pocket, to a watch.

piyush_soni 4y ago

I think he's limited by the technology of our times, but I'd still agree with him that this is _the future_ (not sure how soon), and they probably want to be at the forefront when that happens.

LarsDu88 4y ago

Cellphones used to be massive. VR headsets will eventually be tiny. Now is Motorola - the original cellphone pioneer the top producer of cellphones today? Fuck no. Sometime by 2035 a company will build light field display glasses than can translate language, operate industrial drones, and operate remote chat. It probably won't be meta

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
There might be meta-dna and libraries though in that compAny.
jemmyw 4y ago
The shrinkage of one technology platform in the past isn't enough to predict the shrinkage of another in the future. We're just so used to the idea of tech getting smaller and smaller, but I think we're reaching some limits that might make progress on VR or other immersive tech like that slower or even impossible. Well, fingers crossed that isn't the case. I for one am never strapping something anywhere near as large as current devices to my face as a replacement for sitting in front of a couple of monitors.