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Great news for home buyers and renters alike in major markets. Tampa was absolutely brutalized by these folks.

nonethewiser 4y ago
> Great news for home buyers and renters alike It's a feature of the 7.7% average mortgage rate, which is not great for buyers. Nothing stopping it from coming back when rates go down.
- andrew_ 4y ago
  > Nothing stopping it from coming back when rates go down True, IF. > It's a feature of the 7.7% average mortgage rate, which is not great for buyers. It's not AMAZING, but it's also pretty good. I bought my first home in 2010 at 5.4% - thanks in part to a ton of incentives at the time. My non-subsidized rate should have been closer to 7%. My parents bought their first home at a whopping 17% in 1976. It's important to maintain perspective; just because interest rates were incredibly low for a very long time does not make it the norm. The historical norm is far higher. The crux of the problem now are home valuations and asking prices combined with the interest rate. A home I bought in 2018 is now valued at 125% of my purchase price 4 years ago. The lack of inventory and inflated pricing are a direct result of the corporate buyers' actions over the last six or so years.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    >The lack of inventory and inflated pricing are a direct result of the corporate buyers' actions over the last six or so years. Is there any portion of lack of inventory and inflated pricing attributable to zoning restrictions, agglomeration of secure economic opportunities in fewer regions, increased labor and materials costs, and taxpayer subsidized mortgage lending?
    - andrew_ 4y ago
      I can only speak about my region. Those are not factors here.
  - colinmhayes 4y ago
    > The lack of inventory and inflated pricing are a direct result of the corporate buyers' actions over the last six or so years. No, it's because we stopped building homes after 08 but didn't stop wanting new ones. The REIT's are just responding to that.
    - awinder 4y ago
      https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/housing-starts https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/housing-starts Pull back to max timeframe, housing starts are around a 60+ year average trend (and have been for many years)
    - andrew_ 4y ago
      > No, it's because we stopped building homes after 08 but didn't stop wanting new ones. The REIT's are just responding to that. That's patently false, universally. A sibling comment has a good reference. You can't go an 1/8 of a mile in the greater Tampa Bay region without running into a new build.
    - ThisIsTheWay 4y ago
      This varies greatly by area. The Denver/Boulder corridor has been exploding for the last 10 years and they can't build fast enough.
  - adam_arthur 4y ago
    Rate is only meaningful relative to price. Anecdotes about rates in the past mean nothing without this context
Bilal_io 4y ago
A couple of years ago I tried to rent from one of these companies but things didn't work out. I did double take and was thankful because I don't want to support and encourage this kind of business model .

> Great news for home buyers and renters alike It's a feature of the 7.7% average mortgage rate, which is not great for buyers. Nothing stopping it from coming back when rates go down.

andrew_ 4y ago
> Nothing stopping it from coming back when rates go down True, IF. > It's a feature of the 7.7% average mortgage rate, which is not great for buyers. It's not AMAZING, but it's also pretty good. I bought my first home in 2010 at 5.4% - thanks in part to a ton of incentives at the time. My non-subsidized rate should have been closer to 7%. My parents bought their first home at a whopping 17% in 1976. It's important to maintain perspective; just because interest rates were incredibly low for a very long time does not make it the norm. The historical norm is far higher. The crux of the problem now are home valuations and asking prices combined with the interest rate. A home I bought in 2018 is now valued at 125% of my purchase price 4 years ago. The lack of inventory and inflated pricing are a direct result of the corporate buyers' actions over the last six or so years.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  >The lack of inventory and inflated pricing are a direct result of the corporate buyers' actions over the last six or so years. Is there any portion of lack of inventory and inflated pricing attributable to zoning restrictions, agglomeration of secure economic opportunities in fewer regions, increased labor and materials costs, and taxpayer subsidized mortgage lending?
  - andrew_ 4y ago
    I can only speak about my region. Those are not factors here.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  > The lack of inventory and inflated pricing are a direct result of the corporate buyers' actions over the last six or so years. No, it's because we stopped building homes after 08 but didn't stop wanting new ones. The REIT's are just responding to that.
  - awinder 4y ago
    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/housing-starts https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/housing-starts Pull back to max timeframe, housing starts are around a 60+ year average trend (and have been for many years)
  - andrew_ 4y ago
    > No, it's because we stopped building homes after 08 but didn't stop wanting new ones. The REIT's are just responding to that. That's patently false, universally. A sibling comment has a good reference. You can't go an 1/8 of a mile in the greater Tampa Bay region without running into a new build.
  - ThisIsTheWay 4y ago
    This varies greatly by area. The Denver/Boulder corridor has been exploding for the last 10 years and they can't build fast enough.
- adam_arthur 4y ago
  Rate is only meaningful relative to price. Anecdotes about rates in the past mean nothing without this context

Bilal_io 4y ago

A couple of years ago I tried to rent from one of these companies but things didn't work out. I did double take and was thankful because I don't want to support and encourage this kind of business model .