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I agree there should be basic standards of service, disclosure, quality and safety that products should have to meet in order to be marketable. Basically, purch

by simonh 4y ago

I agree there should be basic standards of service, disclosure, quality and safety that products should have to meet in order to be marketable. Basically, purchasers should be able to have confidence in the products they purchase, so the question is what are the appropriate minimum standards. Personally analytics don't bother me, I don't think they're a significant privacy issue. The service provider already knows almost everything you do with the service anyway, just as a requirement to provide the service. I don't believe that invasive regulation on the detailed behaviour and functions of a phone by governments is genuinely in the interests of users. I suspect that the detrimental effects would far outweigh the benefits, which would only be useful to a tiny fraction of users anyway.

amelius 4y ago
> Basically, purchasers should be able to have confidence in the products they purchase, so the question is what are the appropriate minimum standards. But what confidence do you have if the product you bought is tethered to the original vendor? What if they decide to do something that makes you unable to use the product?
- simonh 4y ago
  I don't have a problem with the original vendor. If the vast majority of users don't have a problem with a relationship like this, and think it's acceptable, then I don't see a strong argument for making it illegal. As for making the product unusable, they can do that anyway through OTA updates, which are applied at the user's discretion. If you think that's a problem then you should regulate that, not some other technical issues that may or may not be related.
chiefalchemist 4y ago
> The service provider already knows almost everything you do with the service anyway Knowing is not the issue. The issue is they use that understanding to their advantage, not yours. Their duty is to maximize shareholder value, not your health, happiness, and well being. I'm not saying don't use them. I am saying it's naive to trust so blindly.

by simonh 4y ago

amelius 4y ago

> Basically, purchasers should be able to have confidence in the products they purchase, so the question is what are the appropriate minimum standards. But what confidence do you have if the product you bought is tethered to the original vendor? What if they decide to do something that makes you unable to use the product?

simonh 4y ago
I don't have a problem with the original vendor. If the vast majority of users don't have a problem with a relationship like this, and think it's acceptable, then I don't see a strong argument for making it illegal. As for making the product unusable, they can do that anyway through OTA updates, which are applied at the user's discretion. If you think that's a problem then you should regulate that, not some other technical issues that may or may not be related.

chiefalchemist 4y ago

> The service provider already knows almost everything you do with the service anyway Knowing is not the issue. The issue is they use that understanding to their advantage, not yours. Their duty is to maximize shareholder value, not your health, happiness, and well being. I'm not saying don't use them. I am saying it's naive to trust so blindly.