12 ms·
I'm quite interested in learning which small central EU country has 150k outstanding programming jobs.
by tifadg1 4y ago
I'm quite interested in learning which small central EU country has 150k outstanding programming jobs.
- rco8786 4y agoSame
- alvis 4y agoSurely they're not all engineers, many are sales and admin positions. But the number is still large tho
- przefur 4y agoRomania? Poland?
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoRomania and Poland aren't exactly small by European standards, in fact they're some of the biggest by population and area. And Romania is not Central but Eastern European [1], so that's out. Small and Central European would be Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia, Austria, Slovenia, Switzerland based on the most widely used definition of Central Europe [1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe#/media/File:Central_Europe_(Brockhaus).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe#/media/File:Cen...
- someweirdperson 4y agoSmall would be Luxembourg.
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoLuxembourg is not Central European. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
- kgwgk 4y agoHave you followed that link? Have you seen the second map in the introduction?
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoHave you followed that link? Have you seen the first map?
- kgwgk 4y agoThe one that says “There are numerous other definitions and viewpoints.”?
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoNo the one that quota encyclopedia Britannica.
- kgwgk 4y agoI think we are both talking now about the first chart in the section “Different views of Central Europe”. The one with the caption “Central Europe according to The World Factbook (2009),[1] Encyclopædia Britannica, and Brockhaus Enzyklopädie (1998). There are numerous other definitions and viewpoints.”
- yrgulation 4y agoDepends, Romania is either central, southern, or east european. Culturally is most definitely not eastern. Germany is by some considered central european. Austria and Switzerland see themselves as west european. Oh the delusion.
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoSee the map of the most widely used definition of the region of Central Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe#/media/File:Central_Europe_(Brockhaus).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe#/media/File:Cen... Every country changes their belonging to a region based on the perceived value bias of what is being discussed. A user here humorously put it that Slovenians see themselves as Western European when it comes to how honest and hard they work, Southern European when it comes to weather and food, and Eastern European when it comes to drinking, partying and having fun. But geographical location however is immutable, so let's stick to that instead of the other more biased definitions.
- yrgulation 4y ago> But geographical location however is immutable, so let's stick to that instead of the other more biased definitions. Proceeds to using precisely biased, political, definitions.
- leto_ii 4y agoThese distinctions are pretty arbitrary, maybe just wait for GP to clarify.
- whimsicalism 4y agoThey're not going to clarify because there is no country that matches this description.
- Symbiote 4y ago5th and 6th largest EU countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_...
- fastball 4y agoWhich are smaller than various US States, so I think categorizing them as small is reasonable.
- bialpio 4y agoI would probably not classify Poland as small, especially noting how big of a population drop between Poland and Romania is. And if Poland were a US state, it would rank 2nd in terms of population, sightly over 1 million people less than California...
- fastball 4y agoExactly, so Poland would be a large state (but a small country).
- AdrianB1 4y agoRomania is Eastern Europe, not Central.
- rouxz 4y agoNobody said a word about programming jobs being outstanding lol
- forbiddenlake 4y ago"outstanding" meaning "open", which is what GP referred to
- theCrowing 4y agoIf you come from FANG and you are good you can basically walk into a german tech place or even car manufacturers and get hired on the spot.
- selfmodruntime 4y agoYou can currently do this as well. Turns out FAANG is popular because german tech pay is pretty garbage.
- 4gotunameagain 4y agoGerman tech pay is fine. The EU does not strive for the wealth inequality of the US, and tech wages are more than enough.
- WanderPanda 4y agoAbsolutely not even if you consider it pre-tax. Post-tax it's just horrible
- kensai 4y agoYes, but you get a social security which is without par. Including one year Arbeitslosgeld (in most situations), health insurance, the works. I always find it funny that we compare these things. In the USA the salaries are superhigh, but lo and behold if something happens to your crystal perfect life. And in life shit happens. A disease, an accident, an unwanted pregnancy. There is so much that might go off, you can literally drown in debts before you even know it.
- bialpio 4y agoAgreed, this is actually pretty scary for me (living in the US for a decade now) - bankruptcy is potentially one accident away (especially if it takes away the ability to continue doing the high-paying job).
- bombcar 4y agoObviously it’s the Vatican City State.
- raverbashing 4y agoLatin is required and the use of BSD systems is forbidden though.
- Iwan-Zotow 4y agoand please, don't install kernel 6.6.6
- neonnoodle 4y agoMonte carlo skills finally going to pay off in Monaco
- brink 4y agoIt sounds like HN satire.
- ajuc 4y agoAccording to EU Commission's estimates whole EU needs ~600 000 more programmers, with Poland (where I'm from) needing 50 000. This seems conservative to me, everybody's hiring and salaries grow pretty quickly. You'd be earning about 50 000 USD per year as a senior developer, but that's plenty enough to live a very good life here. Outside IT people earn about 10 000 USD per year, food and services are very cheap, and there's a comprehensive welfare state.
- aagha 4y agoWe're a small startup, and looking for full-time, full-stack senior devs. Any chance you may any that you'd be open to connecting me with? - Zabe
- ausudhz 4y agoWith the fact that you got the demand/offer law not in your favor, these salaries will definitely go down. Impressed to hear that Poland pays well for developers compared to other jobs. 50k for a senior role would definitely be a good salary even in other EU countries
- whatwherewhy 4y agoI have colleagues from Prague making around $100k after taxes. They're contractors, though.
- ausudhz 4y agoWorking as a contractor yes could bring as much but highly specialized one get 1k Euro a day. You're basically on the top 1 or less %
- whatwherewhy 4y agoThese are React guys. What kind of specialization are you thinking of?
- 4y ago