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The ascent of "guy" (1999)

59 points by Kaibeezy 4y ago

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
To start the discussion off on a thorny point: I recently got “called out” on addressing a group of people as “guys” on account of the interpretation that I’m assuming a single gender. This really frustrated me, and seemed extremely uncalled for. I can remember teachers in school say “cmon guys settle down now” to refer to their co-ed classrooms. Is there any response I could give to this out-of-the-blue criticism besides quietly judging the requester and moving on? I make very little apology for using language in this way, and I was surprised it was interpreted in the most inflammatory way possible.
- the_gipsy 4y ago
  Have you considered that you may be wrong?
  - zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
    Have you considered using a handle that isn't a derogatory term?
    - the_gipsy 4y ago
      It's my heritage, and a completely irrelevant topic.
- MartinCron 4y ago
  - klyrs 4y ago
    > When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. ~ Humpty Dumpty
  - tomjakubowski 4y ago
    Your zinger is presuming OP is a straight male? I don't think anyone is arguing that "guys" would be accepted usage to refer to a group that's entirely female gendered, only that it's acceptable for addressing mixed company. A bisexual person may well think that way about their sexual history in toto -- or they may find distinguishing genders is useful in this context.
    - klyrs 4y ago
      willhinsa is arguing exactly that in a sibling comment. It's a peculiar thing. I've seen guys get offended at the assertion that "guys" is gendered, and then enraged at the suggestion that they may have slept with "guys."
      - version_five 4y ago
        There is no contradiction. Words have meanings that depend on context. Pretending that a word in different contexts must mean the same thing is disingenuous. "I only date guys" - unambiguously saying you go for the male gender "Hey guys" - a gender neutral greeting Dick can be a man's name, a detective, an anatomical reference, or an insult. Somehow we manage not to feign outrage at a Richard's nickname
        klyrs 4y ago
        > Words have meanings that depend on context. Ah, see, nuance! So often when this topic comes up, there is none of that to be found! Hence, people asking obnoxious questions like "how many guys have you slept with." You see, there is a contradiction: people get offended when their words offend others, and they exhibit this offense with kneejerk responses. But what's happening there? The original speaker is getting offended by the others' words.
    - MartinCron 4y ago
      Someone who is upset enough about being being called out for using gendered language that they post a complaint about the interaction, on hacker news, I would bet real money that the OP is a straight male. I would also bet that the straight male would say "no" to the question "do you fuck guys?"
  - j-bos 4y ago
    This question reminds me of the old argumemt about calling the monster Frankenstein.
  - bumsocks 4y ago
  - kortex 4y ago
    It's almost like TFA is about this very distinction. Whether or not you agree that "guys" should be used as such, it is in fact used as such in common english. "how many guys have you had sex with?" implies maleness, though it would also depend quite a lot on context. "what's up, guys?" is used in a gender-neutral way, therefore it is gender-neutral. That's an entirely descriptive, not prescriptive, observation. Language, especially slang-y words, are more learned than taught, and neutral-guy is no exception. We humans use "guy(s)" as male in some context and neutral/unspecified in other contexts. No one told us to do so. Whether we should consciously stop doing so is a judgement call. When someone actively makes that correction in conversation, that rubs some guys (including my bio-female partner) the wrong way. Now, I think it's noble to attempt to use gender-biased language (such as neutral-guy), and eventually it will hopefully fade from usage, but it's still obnoxious to make the correction by interrupting conversation.
- willhinsa 4y ago
  You didn’t use the word incorrectly. They are just an asshole. “Guys” as a collective noun has no sex/gender. It’s as gendered as “y’all”. Words can have different meanings. Fuck those people.
  - dang 4y ago
    "Please don't fulminate." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
  The person who called you out sounds like a loser who spends too much time in their weirdo bubble online or in some sort of extreme activist community in person. This sort of thing has been leaking out into the rest of society lately and when it does we should ridicule it and the people who hold those beliefs. Commence the downvotes.
- modzu 4y ago
  welcome to the 21st century. you may want to reply with an even bigger virtue signal
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  I’ve always considered it a non gendered term of endearment. As a reference to how children would dress up as Guy Fawkes at parades in the UK.
- version_five 4y ago
  They are trying to get power over you. Best to just shrug and ignore, making as little of it as possible. Trolls grow in power the more you feed them - so take it the same as it someone posts a troll comment in reply to a forum post. Just ignore
- burkaman 4y ago
  There are many possible responses, it depends what your goal is. If you just care about making your audience comfortable, you can say "my bad, folks" and then move on and forget about it forever. If you want to understand what the issue could possibly be, you could approach that person afterwards and ask them why they called you out and why they don't want to be referred to as a "guy". If you only care about being right, you could argue with them on the spot.
- nkrisc 4y ago
  I don’t think such an uncharitable interpretation deserves any response.
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- tomlockwood 4y ago
  I don't understand why people are so sensitive these days! Just don't use "guys" and move on. Easy.
  - jwrallie 4y ago
    Or just use "guys" and move on. The move on is the important part.
    - tomlockwood 4y ago
      Absolutely, which is why it's so funny that the commenter here is using their "frustration" and the "uncalled for" nature of their reaction to justify wanting to continue to use "guys". This guy should just drop it and move on, easy. Cut the sensitivity out and just, move on.
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  - zen_1 4y ago
    People choosing to be (or just acting, you can't tell for sure) over inconsequential word choices never ceases to amaze.
    - tomlockwood 4y ago
      Yeah some men are so sensitive over this that they'll literally rush out to write "academic" papers about it! Just get over it, dude.
- nosoble 4y ago
  Reminds me of my coworker who used to come in every day and greet our all-male office with "morning ladies!" This soon stopped just before our first female colleague joined. Our boss pulled us all in to a meeting to inform us that we now have to use gender-neutral terms like "folks" and "peeps", and there was to be no more joking around gendered forms of address. What a spoilsport.
- MrPatan 4y ago
  You should have instantly corrected yourself to "guys and communist fifthcolumnists" and carried on.
- jihadjihad 4y ago
  The place at worked at one job ago had a Slack bot set up so that if you said "guys" in any public channel, it would spit out a message like "Maybe use different word instead?" It was about as efffective and intelligent as it sounds. /s
  - smegsicle 4y ago
    > it was about as effective and intelligent as it sounds. /s fascinated by this "/s"
- deleted 4y ago
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sudobash1 4y ago
The use of the word wer as "man" (male) can be read in Beowulf. For example, when people are eulogizing a dead king. It says "ymb wer sprecan"[1] meaning "speak about the man." Same with the word wif: "wíggryre wífes" means "war-violence of women." The development of the modern word "woman" is interesting. It descends from the word combination "wif" + "man". The "i" gradually changed to an "o". However the plural (women) retains the original "i" sound. The word "wif" on its own changed to our modern word "wife"[2]. A lot of our modern words which contain "-man" or "man-" in them developed in Old English. The word "mankind" for instance is present in Beowulf. It is spelled "manna cynnes" or "mancynn". One last note, the word "wer" predates the English language. It dates back to Proto-Indo-European, and shows up in many different languages. For example in Latin it is "vir" If you want a Beowulf side-by-side translation: https://heorot.dk/beowulf-rede-text.html https://heorot.dk/beowulf-rede-text.html [1] Cool to see the word "sprecan" and it's similarity to modern German "sprechen". [2] Which has always made me wonder about the phrase "I pronounce you man and wife". What meanings of "man" and "wife" were common when that phrase originated.
- sudobash1 4y ago
  Now that I am rambling about etymology, another cool thing: We spell and say the plural of "wife" as "wives". This is because of how the voiced "e" changed the pronunciation of the unvoiced "f" to a voiced "v". ("v" and "f" are the same sound with the only difference being if you are engaging your vocal folds or not. Same with "z" and "s", "b" and "p", and some others). The same happened with "knife" and "knives", and the pronunciation of "path" vs "paths" (the "s" sound is voiced, and caused the "th" to be voiced as well).
  - OJFord 4y ago
    Though curiously not 'roof', despite all being Germanically rooted.
    - agf 4y ago
      Are you saying not "rooves" in spelling, or in pronunciation, or both? I spell it "roofs" but pronounce it "rooves". With "dwarfs" and "dwarves", it depends on context for both spelling and pronunciation I think.
tomlockwood 4y ago
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UIUC_06 4y ago
Just to complicate things: One usage that is definitely single-sex is, one male might say to another male, "Hi guy, how ya doin'?" "OK, guy, let me tell you how to do this." But he'd never say that to a female. However, it wouldn't be that unusual to say to a whole group of women, whether one is male OR female, "Hi guys, let's get started."
- adolph 4y ago
  I think the latter most became gender neutral because of the entry cry of the public television show “Three, Two, One Contact” in which a woman yelled “Hey You Guys” in what was clearly and inclusive manner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-2-1_Contact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-2-1_Contact
  - FiatLuxDave 4y ago
    Surely you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Company
  - bitwize 4y ago
    It was The Electric Company and the woman was the legendary Rita Moreno. That show had an impressive ensemble cast, which included Morgan Freeman and Bill Cosby (who is not so much legendary these days as infamous).
    - adolph 4y ago
      Thank you and also sibling comment
- cm42 4y ago
  I'm apparently in a minority here, but I've only known one guy to use it as a term of address (vs. how I just used it), and he notably did it with everyone, a la "dude" (so much that "Guy" became his nickname). Chief, on the other hand, I've only heard directed at males.
tomlockwood 4y ago
You know, I'm not sure if you're down to hear this, but chances are if you upvoted this article, you're a man upvoting an article by a man, and there's a bunch of men in the comments talking about how inoffensive they find the word "guys" when applied to groups. And, these men are probably downvoting comments that suggest that they may be the sensitive ones, who should just alter their language slightly, like they do routinely when new buzzwords and tools and techniques come up in their jobs. Is this what an echo chamber looks like?
- 35amxn35 4y ago
  On the contrary, you need an echo chamber in order to push this idea. Most people are tired of being lectured on what's offensive/not inclusive and constantly walking on eggshells, and it's beginning to show. The Buzzfeed era is over.
  - tomlockwood 4y ago
    > Most people are tired of being lectured on what's offensive/not inclusive Conservatives have been saying this forever, and its not coming true. They said it about gay slurs and racism and have been saying it forever about sexism. They're born to lose and can't stop complaining about how Being Appropriate at Work is so hard These Days.
    - 35amxn35 4y ago
      No, it's not only definitely coming true, it's been happening for a while now and it's becoming mainstream. Here's a very neutral video on the topic: https://youtu.be/fKBLn--BBdg https://youtu.be/fKBLn--BBdg. I think the peak was around the late 2010s.
      - tomlockwood 4y ago
        Nah, conservatives have thought this forever and they probably listened to voices that complained about women being too into "hookup culture" and "cancelling" also. This channel's bias is clear. No new news here. This echo chamber y'all have made for yourselves is airtight.
purplerabbit 4y ago
Imagine if it was another name that became generic, like “Steve” or “Chad” instead of “Guy”. “He’s a nice Steve.” “Ted is an awesome Chad!”
- spfzero 4y ago
  Well if another name had become generic long ago, it would be familiar usage and not surprising at all. You would have grown up with it, and think it normal.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  No need to imagine. There are several other names that have already become generic. In Australia women can be referred to as Sheilas. In Ireland they can be called Colleens.
  - bklaasen 4y ago
    "Cailín" is Irish for "girl". https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/cail%C3%ADn https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/cail%C3%ADn
tomcam 4y ago
Relayed: Seems like “bloke” has largely been supplanted in the UK by “guy” and “dude” in the last decade or so.
- tomcam 4y ago
  * Related not relayed
dr_dshiv 4y ago
I like the term fellow. Like, “fellow feeling” or “hey, fellows!” While mostly used for refer to men, it’s originally gender neutral and has a nice vibe about it. Hello, fellow!
Kaibeezy 4y ago
When I'm the only person in the cafe, but the barista still wants to know my name for the order, I do a slow pan looking left, then right, then back to center, and say: "Guy".
zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
SBF using "guys" to refer to FTX employees https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yr8q57/there_is_a_confirmed_leaked_messages_from_sbf_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yr8q57/ther...

59 points by Kaibeezy 4y ago

To start the discussion off on a thorny point: I recently got “called out” on addressing a group of people as “guys” on account of the interpretation that I’m assuming a single gender. This really frustrated me, and seemed extremely uncalled for. I can remember teachers in school say “cmon guys settle down now” to refer to their co-ed classrooms. Is there any response I could give to this out-of-the-blue criticism besides quietly judging the requester and moving on? I make very little apology for using language in this way, and I was surprised it was interpreted in the most inflammatory way possible.

the_gipsy 4y ago
Have you considered that you may be wrong?
- zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
  Have you considered using a handle that isn't a derogatory term?
  - the_gipsy 4y ago
    It's my heritage, and a completely irrelevant topic.
MartinCron 4y ago
- klyrs 4y ago
  > When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. ~ Humpty Dumpty
- tomjakubowski 4y ago
  Your zinger is presuming OP is a straight male? I don't think anyone is arguing that "guys" would be accepted usage to refer to a group that's entirely female gendered, only that it's acceptable for addressing mixed company. A bisexual person may well think that way about their sexual history in toto -- or they may find distinguishing genders is useful in this context.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    willhinsa is arguing exactly that in a sibling comment. It's a peculiar thing. I've seen guys get offended at the assertion that "guys" is gendered, and then enraged at the suggestion that they may have slept with "guys."
    - version_five 4y ago
      There is no contradiction. Words have meanings that depend on context. Pretending that a word in different contexts must mean the same thing is disingenuous. "I only date guys" - unambiguously saying you go for the male gender "Hey guys" - a gender neutral greeting Dick can be a man's name, a detective, an anatomical reference, or an insult. Somehow we manage not to feign outrage at a Richard's nickname
      - klyrs 4y ago
        > Words have meanings that depend on context. Ah, see, nuance! So often when this topic comes up, there is none of that to be found! Hence, people asking obnoxious questions like "how many guys have you slept with." You see, there is a contradiction: people get offended when their words offend others, and they exhibit this offense with kneejerk responses. But what's happening there? The original speaker is getting offended by the others' words.
  - MartinCron 4y ago
    Someone who is upset enough about being being called out for using gendered language that they post a complaint about the interaction, on hacker news, I would bet real money that the OP is a straight male. I would also bet that the straight male would say "no" to the question "do you fuck guys?"
- j-bos 4y ago
  This question reminds me of the old argumemt about calling the monster Frankenstein.
- bumsocks 4y ago
- kortex 4y ago
  It's almost like TFA is about this very distinction. Whether or not you agree that "guys" should be used as such, it is in fact used as such in common english. "how many guys have you had sex with?" implies maleness, though it would also depend quite a lot on context. "what's up, guys?" is used in a gender-neutral way, therefore it is gender-neutral. That's an entirely descriptive, not prescriptive, observation. Language, especially slang-y words, are more learned than taught, and neutral-guy is no exception. We humans use "guy(s)" as male in some context and neutral/unspecified in other contexts. No one told us to do so. Whether we should consciously stop doing so is a judgement call. When someone actively makes that correction in conversation, that rubs some guys (including my bio-female partner) the wrong way. Now, I think it's noble to attempt to use gender-biased language (such as neutral-guy), and eventually it will hopefully fade from usage, but it's still obnoxious to make the correction by interrupting conversation.
willhinsa 4y ago
You didn’t use the word incorrectly. They are just an asshole. “Guys” as a collective noun has no sex/gender. It’s as gendered as “y’all”. Words can have different meanings. Fuck those people.
- dang 4y ago
  "Please don't fulminate." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
The person who called you out sounds like a loser who spends too much time in their weirdo bubble online or in some sort of extreme activist community in person. This sort of thing has been leaking out into the rest of society lately and when it does we should ridicule it and the people who hold those beliefs. Commence the downvotes.
modzu 4y ago
welcome to the 21st century. you may want to reply with an even bigger virtue signal
cjbgkagh 4y ago
I’ve always considered it a non gendered term of endearment. As a reference to how children would dress up as Guy Fawkes at parades in the UK.
version_five 4y ago
They are trying to get power over you. Best to just shrug and ignore, making as little of it as possible. Trolls grow in power the more you feed them - so take it the same as it someone posts a troll comment in reply to a forum post. Just ignore
burkaman 4y ago
There are many possible responses, it depends what your goal is. If you just care about making your audience comfortable, you can say "my bad, folks" and then move on and forget about it forever. If you want to understand what the issue could possibly be, you could approach that person afterwards and ask them why they called you out and why they don't want to be referred to as a "guy". If you only care about being right, you could argue with them on the spot.
nkrisc 4y ago
I don’t think such an uncharitable interpretation deserves any response.
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tomlockwood 4y ago
I don't understand why people are so sensitive these days! Just don't use "guys" and move on. Easy.
- jwrallie 4y ago
  Or just use "guys" and move on. The move on is the important part.
  - tomlockwood 4y ago
    Absolutely, which is why it's so funny that the commenter here is using their "frustration" and the "uncalled for" nature of their reaction to justify wanting to continue to use "guys". This guy should just drop it and move on, easy. Cut the sensitivity out and just, move on.
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- zen_1 4y ago
  People choosing to be (or just acting, you can't tell for sure) over inconsequential word choices never ceases to amaze.
  - tomlockwood 4y ago
    Yeah some men are so sensitive over this that they'll literally rush out to write "academic" papers about it! Just get over it, dude.
nosoble 4y ago
Reminds me of my coworker who used to come in every day and greet our all-male office with "morning ladies!" This soon stopped just before our first female colleague joined. Our boss pulled us all in to a meeting to inform us that we now have to use gender-neutral terms like "folks" and "peeps", and there was to be no more joking around gendered forms of address. What a spoilsport.
MrPatan 4y ago
You should have instantly corrected yourself to "guys and communist fifthcolumnists" and carried on.
jihadjihad 4y ago
The place at worked at one job ago had a Slack bot set up so that if you said "guys" in any public channel, it would spit out a message like "Maybe use different word instead?" It was about as efffective and intelligent as it sounds. /s
- smegsicle 4y ago
  > it was about as effective and intelligent as it sounds. /s fascinated by this "/s"
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sudobash1 4y ago

The use of the word wer as "man" (male) can be read in Beowulf. For example, when people are eulogizing a dead king. It says "ymb wer sprecan"[1] meaning "speak about the man." Same with the word wif: "wíggryre wífes" means "war-violence of women." The development of the modern word "woman" is interesting. It descends from the word combination "wif" + "man". The "i" gradually changed to an "o". However the plural (women) retains the original "i" sound. The word "wif" on its own changed to our modern word "wife"[2]. A lot of our modern words which contain "-man" or "man-" in them developed in Old English. The word "mankind" for instance is present in Beowulf. It is spelled "manna cynnes" or "mancynn". One last note, the word "wer" predates the English language. It dates back to Proto-Indo-European, and shows up in many different languages. For example in Latin it is "vir" If you want a Beowulf side-by-side translation: https://heorot.dk/beowulf-rede-text.html https://heorot.dk/beowulf-rede-text.html [1] Cool to see the word "sprecan" and it's similarity to modern German "sprechen". [2] Which has always made me wonder about the phrase "I pronounce you man and wife". What meanings of "man" and "wife" were common when that phrase originated.

sudobash1 4y ago
Now that I am rambling about etymology, another cool thing: We spell and say the plural of "wife" as "wives". This is because of how the voiced "e" changed the pronunciation of the unvoiced "f" to a voiced "v". ("v" and "f" are the same sound with the only difference being if you are engaging your vocal folds or not. Same with "z" and "s", "b" and "p", and some others). The same happened with "knife" and "knives", and the pronunciation of "path" vs "paths" (the "s" sound is voiced, and caused the "th" to be voiced as well).
- OJFord 4y ago
  Though curiously not 'roof', despite all being Germanically rooted.
  - agf 4y ago
    Are you saying not "rooves" in spelling, or in pronunciation, or both? I spell it "roofs" but pronounce it "rooves". With "dwarfs" and "dwarves", it depends on context for both spelling and pronunciation I think.

tomlockwood 4y ago

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UIUC_06 4y ago

Just to complicate things: One usage that is definitely single-sex is, one male might say to another male, "Hi guy, how ya doin'?" "OK, guy, let me tell you how to do this." But he'd never say that to a female. However, it wouldn't be that unusual to say to a whole group of women, whether one is male OR female, "Hi guys, let's get started."

adolph 4y ago
I think the latter most became gender neutral because of the entry cry of the public television show “Three, Two, One Contact” in which a woman yelled “Hey You Guys” in what was clearly and inclusive manner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-2-1_Contact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-2-1_Contact
- FiatLuxDave 4y ago
  Surely you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Company
- bitwize 4y ago
  It was The Electric Company and the woman was the legendary Rita Moreno. That show had an impressive ensemble cast, which included Morgan Freeman and Bill Cosby (who is not so much legendary these days as infamous).
  - adolph 4y ago
    Thank you and also sibling comment
cm42 4y ago
I'm apparently in a minority here, but I've only known one guy to use it as a term of address (vs. how I just used it), and he notably did it with everyone, a la "dude" (so much that "Guy" became his nickname). Chief, on the other hand, I've only heard directed at males.

tomlockwood 4y ago

You know, I'm not sure if you're down to hear this, but chances are if you upvoted this article, you're a man upvoting an article by a man, and there's a bunch of men in the comments talking about how inoffensive they find the word "guys" when applied to groups. And, these men are probably downvoting comments that suggest that they may be the sensitive ones, who should just alter their language slightly, like they do routinely when new buzzwords and tools and techniques come up in their jobs. Is this what an echo chamber looks like?

35amxn35 4y ago
On the contrary, you need an echo chamber in order to push this idea. Most people are tired of being lectured on what's offensive/not inclusive and constantly walking on eggshells, and it's beginning to show. The Buzzfeed era is over.
- tomlockwood 4y ago
  > Most people are tired of being lectured on what's offensive/not inclusive Conservatives have been saying this forever, and its not coming true. They said it about gay slurs and racism and have been saying it forever about sexism. They're born to lose and can't stop complaining about how Being Appropriate at Work is so hard These Days.
  - 35amxn35 4y ago
    No, it's not only definitely coming true, it's been happening for a while now and it's becoming mainstream. Here's a very neutral video on the topic: https://youtu.be/fKBLn--BBdg https://youtu.be/fKBLn--BBdg. I think the peak was around the late 2010s.
    - tomlockwood 4y ago
      Nah, conservatives have thought this forever and they probably listened to voices that complained about women being too into "hookup culture" and "cancelling" also. This channel's bias is clear. No new news here. This echo chamber y'all have made for yourselves is airtight.

purplerabbit 4y ago

Imagine if it was another name that became generic, like “Steve” or “Chad” instead of “Guy”. “He’s a nice Steve.” “Ted is an awesome Chad!”

spfzero 4y ago
Well if another name had become generic long ago, it would be familiar usage and not surprising at all. You would have grown up with it, and think it normal.
thaumasiotes 4y ago
No need to imagine. There are several other names that have already become generic. In Australia women can be referred to as Sheilas. In Ireland they can be called Colleens.
- bklaasen 4y ago
  "Cailín" is Irish for "girl". https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/cail%C3%ADn https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/cail%C3%ADn

tomcam 4y ago

Relayed: Seems like “bloke” has largely been supplanted in the UK by “guy” and “dude” in the last decade or so.

tomcam 4y ago
* Related not relayed

dr_dshiv 4y ago

I like the term fellow. Like, “fellow feeling” or “hey, fellows!” While mostly used for refer to men, it’s originally gender neutral and has a nice vibe about it. Hello, fellow!

Kaibeezy 4y ago

When I'm the only person in the cafe, but the barista still wants to know my name for the order, I do a slow pan looking left, then right, then back to center, and say: "Guy".

zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago

SBF using "guys" to refer to FTX employees https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yr8q57/there_is_a_confirmed_leaked_messages_from_sbf_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yr8q57/ther...