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Most people don’t want you to solve their issues. They just want you to listen and understand them. If someone asks for advice, that’s another thing entirely. B

Most people don’t want you to solve their issues. They just want you to listen and understand them. If someone asks for advice, that’s another thing entirely. But I’ve learned over the years that just listening and appreciating what someone else is feeling is the most helpful thing you can do.

coldpie 4y ago
This is one of those personality differences that I find utterly fascinating. I think you're right that most people feel the way you say, but I feel the exact opposite! If I'm talking about a problem, it's because I haven't figured out how to solve it and would be happy for ideas. Otherwise why talk about it? You're certainly not interested in my problems, and it's by definition a problem for me, so it's not like I enjoy just talking about it for no reason. It was definitely a learning curve realizing that most people don't feel how I do about this. Still baffles me to this day, but I've learned to put that aside and just shut up because I guess people want that.
- ketzo 4y ago
  I'm the same way. Not to over-generalize, but in my experience that feeling is a big 1) guy thing 2) engineering-type thing 3) type-A-personality thing and god help you if you're all three! All three of those groups are overrepresented on HN, too, so at least you're probably in good company :D I just learned that I need to stifle my automatic "problem-solving mode" when it comes to personal interactions, and all of my conversations got way better. Glad I was at least able to learn pretty early in my life!
- imknewhere 4y ago
  For real? Like if in the course of a conversation, somebody brings up that they've been struggling with depression and have a hard time getting up in the morning, you actually interpret that as a request for instructions they can follow, in order to become happy again? I just find that a little hard to believe. If it's actually true, well, I dunno, I'm sorry for you?
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    Well, it's probably a desire for those things. The problem is that the solution doesn't exist, not that giving a valid solution would be bad.
  - coldpie 4y ago
    I mean, that's a rather extreme example. It's hard to say how I'd react in that situation, I'd probably feel uncomfortable and mumble and try to get out of the conversation, lol.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Personally I like both. Listen first, listen completely and then offer suggestions. While some people will let you get a few lines in and then start blurting out useless suggestions without hearing the full situation.
miroljub 4y ago
It may be the most helpful thing for them, but listening to someone else's problems could be emotionally taxing to the person listening. Double so, if the listener has a feeling that he's there just to listen, and that the person talking about the problem just wants to offload their issue to the listener, and is not at all interested about what the listener have to say about the topic. If you want someone to just listen, go get a psychologist. They are at least paid to listen to other people's problems, and have tools not to take stuff personally and not to feel bad about it. And they get paid in the end.
- kayodelycaon 4y ago
  The parent didn't say you had to stick around. People default to fixing things and need to know that's the wrong thing to do.
  - miroljub 4y ago
    In such situation, one should do what is the best for them. Not sticking around or running away may be unnatural and thus also emotionally taxing. Giving advice and trying to help, even if the person just wanted to vent, is not bad. You [1] came to me with your problem. Now it's not only your problem, it's also my problem, since you shared it with me. I want that problem to go away, and will help you or give you advice how to deal with it. Then I will feel better. If I just listen to you, it may be the best thing for you, but for me it is the wrong thing to do, since I'm not made that way. I you just want to vent so that you can feel better, don't make me feel worse because of that. Find someone else. [1] "You" and "me" used for clarity, since "they" & "them" is confusing.
grimjack00 4y ago
"just listen" isn't necessarily any easier than all the other "just <do the thing>" phrases.
mattw2121 4y ago
This is a lesson I am continually still trying to put in practice. I had the initial ah-ha moment from White Men Can't Jump. See. if I'm thirsty. I don't want a glass of water, I want you to sympathize. I want you to say, "Gloria, I too know what it feels like to be thirsty. I too have had a dry mouth." I want you to connect with me through sharing and understanding the concept of dry mouthedness.

coldpie 4y ago

This is one of those personality differences that I find utterly fascinating. I think you're right that most people feel the way you say, but I feel the exact opposite! If I'm talking about a problem, it's because I haven't figured out how to solve it and would be happy for ideas. Otherwise why talk about it? You're certainly not interested in my problems, and it's by definition a problem for me, so it's not like I enjoy just talking about it for no reason. It was definitely a learning curve realizing that most people don't feel how I do about this. Still baffles me to this day, but I've learned to put that aside and just shut up because I guess people want that.

ketzo 4y ago
I'm the same way. Not to over-generalize, but in my experience that feeling is a big 1) guy thing 2) engineering-type thing 3) type-A-personality thing and god help you if you're all three! All three of those groups are overrepresented on HN, too, so at least you're probably in good company :D I just learned that I need to stifle my automatic "problem-solving mode" when it comes to personal interactions, and all of my conversations got way better. Glad I was at least able to learn pretty early in my life!
imknewhere 4y ago
For real? Like if in the course of a conversation, somebody brings up that they've been struggling with depression and have a hard time getting up in the morning, you actually interpret that as a request for instructions they can follow, in order to become happy again? I just find that a little hard to believe. If it's actually true, well, I dunno, I'm sorry for you?
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  Well, it's probably a desire for those things. The problem is that the solution doesn't exist, not that giving a valid solution would be bad.
- coldpie 4y ago
  I mean, that's a rather extreme example. It's hard to say how I'd react in that situation, I'd probably feel uncomfortable and mumble and try to get out of the conversation, lol.
Gigachad 4y ago
Personally I like both. Listen first, listen completely and then offer suggestions. While some people will let you get a few lines in and then start blurting out useless suggestions without hearing the full situation.

miroljub 4y ago

It may be the most helpful thing for them, but listening to someone else's problems could be emotionally taxing to the person listening. Double so, if the listener has a feeling that he's there just to listen, and that the person talking about the problem just wants to offload their issue to the listener, and is not at all interested about what the listener have to say about the topic. If you want someone to just listen, go get a psychologist. They are at least paid to listen to other people's problems, and have tools not to take stuff personally and not to feel bad about it. And they get paid in the end.

kayodelycaon 4y ago
The parent didn't say you had to stick around. People default to fixing things and need to know that's the wrong thing to do.
- miroljub 4y ago
  In such situation, one should do what is the best for them. Not sticking around or running away may be unnatural and thus also emotionally taxing. Giving advice and trying to help, even if the person just wanted to vent, is not bad. You [1] came to me with your problem. Now it's not only your problem, it's also my problem, since you shared it with me. I want that problem to go away, and will help you or give you advice how to deal with it. Then I will feel better. If I just listen to you, it may be the best thing for you, but for me it is the wrong thing to do, since I'm not made that way. I you just want to vent so that you can feel better, don't make me feel worse because of that. Find someone else. [1] "You" and "me" used for clarity, since "they" & "them" is confusing.

grimjack00 4y ago

"just listen" isn't necessarily any easier than all the other "just <do the thing>" phrases.

mattw2121 4y ago

This is a lesson I am continually still trying to put in practice. I had the initial ah-ha moment from White Men Can't Jump. See. if I'm thirsty. I don't want a glass of water, I want you to sympathize. I want you to say, "Gloria, I too know what it feels like to be thirsty. I too have had a dry mouth." I want you to connect with me through sharing and understanding the concept of dry mouthedness.