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Why is that so hard to believe? Generally filesystems aren’t designed to be super portable, but rather reliable, scalable and fast. If you’re using one disk/fi

Why is that so hard to believe? Generally filesystems aren’t designed to be super portable, but rather reliable, scalable and fast. If you’re using one disk/filesystem with multiple operating systems, you are absolutely an outlier, not the general use case. The only reason that FAT is somewhat portable is that it’s extremely simple and limited. This is also the reason why you absolutely do not want to use it for anything else than USB sticks and the likes.

mschuster91 4y ago
> If you’re using one disk/filesystem with multiple operating systems, you are absolutely an outlier, not the general use case. Well... transferring large amount of data between at least Windows and macOS is pretty common in the media/movie/entertainment business, and add Linux to the mix if you're in a development shop.
- anthk 4y ago
  UDF.
- stingraycharles 4y ago
  But surely these businesses will be using a NAS, rather than using a single physical disk on multiple OS’es?
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    Nothing beats the bandwidth of a truck full of drives on a highway. Shipping large quantities of data - we're talking about dozens of terabytes sometimes - via disk is still incredibly common. The problem is: while ExFAT has alleviated a lot of issues on disk storage as a sort-of common enough format, there still is no cross-platform disk encryption standard. TrueCrypt/VeraCrypt is, but support is third-party and some companies refuse to use it on security grounds, so usually it's ZIP and sometimes RAR files with passwords. Sigh.
    - stingraycharles 4y ago
      Sure but these use cases are rare outliers, not something Apple is expected to design their filesystems around.
tannhaeuser 4y ago
> Generally filesystems aren’t designed to be super portable, but rather reliable, scalable and fast. ... or designed to take advantage of today's solid state storage hardware, such as APFS claims to be doing; or at least not generate life-shortening wear-and-tear patterns.
amelius 4y ago
Have you never transferred some files on a USB drive to a colleague who uses a different OS?
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Not really no. For as long as I have been working you'd just stick it on the company cloud storage solution and send them a link. I feel like I'm not too far off the average by only using external storage to load movies on to play on my TV.

mschuster91 4y ago

> If you’re using one disk/filesystem with multiple operating systems, you are absolutely an outlier, not the general use case. Well... transferring large amount of data between at least Windows and macOS is pretty common in the media/movie/entertainment business, and add Linux to the mix if you're in a development shop.

anthk 4y ago
UDF.
stingraycharles 4y ago
But surely these businesses will be using a NAS, rather than using a single physical disk on multiple OS’es?
- mschuster91 4y ago
  Nothing beats the bandwidth of a truck full of drives on a highway. Shipping large quantities of data - we're talking about dozens of terabytes sometimes - via disk is still incredibly common. The problem is: while ExFAT has alleviated a lot of issues on disk storage as a sort-of common enough format, there still is no cross-platform disk encryption standard. TrueCrypt/VeraCrypt is, but support is third-party and some companies refuse to use it on security grounds, so usually it's ZIP and sometimes RAR files with passwords. Sigh.
  - stingraycharles 4y ago
    Sure but these use cases are rare outliers, not something Apple is expected to design their filesystems around.

tannhaeuser 4y ago

> Generally filesystems aren’t designed to be super portable, but rather reliable, scalable and fast. ... or designed to take advantage of today's solid state storage hardware, such as APFS claims to be doing; or at least not generate life-shortening wear-and-tear patterns.

amelius 4y ago

Have you never transferred some files on a USB drive to a colleague who uses a different OS?

Gigachad 4y ago
Not really no. For as long as I have been working you'd just stick it on the company cloud storage solution and send them a link. I feel like I'm not too far off the average by only using external storage to load movies on to play on my TV.