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Russian interference is a pretty one sided thing. If it happened, it was to Trump benefit. Such declaration will be dismissed by conservatives as Democrat narr

Russian interference is a pretty one sided thing. If it happened, it was to Trump benefit. Such declaration will be dismissed by conservatives as Democrat narrative. And democrats will just get comforted in their position. Russia would be stupid to say anything that would help democrats. They would be much better off with a republican house and senate. I think there are smarter things to say if they wanted to muddy the waters.

lijogdfljk 4y ago
I've seen that narrative in Conservative circles. However i've seen just about everything over there, so it's really difficult for me to know what is "sticking" and what is just clumps of people agreeing to random things. Ie what i'm referencing is more than just a single comment, it was many in agreement; but i've tended to see these "pockets of fringe" where in any larger thread i can expect to see just about anything being discussed and agreed upon. Makes it really hard to discern larger beliefs.
matwood 4y ago
I think you're thinking short term. I don't think Russia cares democrat or republican, they want exactly what's happening - lack of confidence in the election process. Trump benefitted because he's reading from the same playbook - push a lack of confidence in the election process. From Russia's standpoint, they can't take down the US. The US can certainly destroy itself from the inside though. If we assume the GOP is already questioning all election results, then this most recent comment from Russia will bring more of the left in to question the results. When everyone questions the results, the US has a big problem.
- ethanbond 4y ago
  You think Russia has no preferences between option a) party that has been providing Ukraine with weapons systems that are demolishing their military and option b) party that has vowed to end all aid to Ukraine? Really? The war in Ukraine is obviously the #1 most important, most critical issue for Putin right now. It is as close to do-or-die as a dictatorial nationstate can get and the situation is getting worse by the day for Russia.
  - factsarelolz 4y ago
    > Really? If someone were to believe what you're saying is true then Putin would have invaded Ukraine under a Republican President, Trump. Russia only seems to fuck with Ukraine when a Democrat is President. Why would Putin invade Ukraine or fuck with Ukraine when the party in power hates Russia and will spend untold billions to stop Russia. Your argument makes absolutely no sense.
    - ethanbond 4y ago
      > Why would Putin invade Ukraine or fuck with Ukraine when the party in power hates Russia and will spend untold billions to stop Russia. Wait so... why would he? Considering this is exactly what he did? Could it be that there are other components to a decision to invade than merely who is in power halfway around the world? There's nothing incompatible with this and the idea they he'd prefer Trump, or any NATO-withdrawing and foreign-aid withholding party, in power.
      - factsarelolz 4y ago
        We'll IF Trump is so "friendly" to Russia and he is Russia's pocket why wouldn't Putin invade when Trump (Putins ally according to the left) is controlling the US military. Why would Putin invade when a Democrat is president. It makes zero sense.
        ethanbond 4y ago
        I didn't claim any of those things my dude. I claimed that Putin has a preference for Trump, at least in 2016, as stated by Putin himself and as confirmed independently by the USIC after investigating Russia's influence campaigns.
    - molotovh 4y ago
      The party that spent 20 years complaining about the billions we spent on military support to prop up corrupt but US-friendly regimes now claims that not spending billions to prop up a corrupt but US-friendly regime is evidence of collaboration with the enemy.
prox 4y ago
It is already well documented that while part of what you say is true (favouring maga gop) that sowing the divisions in any way, shape or form is a goal is also true. Source : actual kgb agents who did this[0] 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5WjRjz5mTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5WjRjz5mTU
kube-system 4y ago
It is officially documented that Russia's campaigns have supported varying ideologies. While they do have some preference for foreign policy, it is also in their interest to increase division.
Haga 4y ago

lijogdfljk 4y ago

I've seen that narrative in Conservative circles. However i've seen just about everything over there, so it's really difficult for me to know what is "sticking" and what is just clumps of people agreeing to random things. Ie what i'm referencing is more than just a single comment, it was many in agreement; but i've tended to see these "pockets of fringe" where in any larger thread i can expect to see just about anything being discussed and agreed upon. Makes it really hard to discern larger beliefs.

matwood 4y ago

I think you're thinking short term. I don't think Russia cares democrat or republican, they want exactly what's happening - lack of confidence in the election process. Trump benefitted because he's reading from the same playbook - push a lack of confidence in the election process. From Russia's standpoint, they can't take down the US. The US can certainly destroy itself from the inside though. If we assume the GOP is already questioning all election results, then this most recent comment from Russia will bring more of the left in to question the results. When everyone questions the results, the US has a big problem.

ethanbond 4y ago
You think Russia has no preferences between option a) party that has been providing Ukraine with weapons systems that are demolishing their military and option b) party that has vowed to end all aid to Ukraine? Really? The war in Ukraine is obviously the #1 most important, most critical issue for Putin right now. It is as close to do-or-die as a dictatorial nationstate can get and the situation is getting worse by the day for Russia.
- factsarelolz 4y ago
  > Really? If someone were to believe what you're saying is true then Putin would have invaded Ukraine under a Republican President, Trump. Russia only seems to fuck with Ukraine when a Democrat is President. Why would Putin invade Ukraine or fuck with Ukraine when the party in power hates Russia and will spend untold billions to stop Russia. Your argument makes absolutely no sense.
  - ethanbond 4y ago
    > Why would Putin invade Ukraine or fuck with Ukraine when the party in power hates Russia and will spend untold billions to stop Russia. Wait so... why would he? Considering this is exactly what he did? Could it be that there are other components to a decision to invade than merely who is in power halfway around the world? There's nothing incompatible with this and the idea they he'd prefer Trump, or any NATO-withdrawing and foreign-aid withholding party, in power.
    - factsarelolz 4y ago
      We'll IF Trump is so "friendly" to Russia and he is Russia's pocket why wouldn't Putin invade when Trump (Putins ally according to the left) is controlling the US military. Why would Putin invade when a Democrat is president. It makes zero sense.
      - ethanbond 4y ago
        I didn't claim any of those things my dude. I claimed that Putin has a preference for Trump, at least in 2016, as stated by Putin himself and as confirmed independently by the USIC after investigating Russia's influence campaigns.
  - molotovh 4y ago
    The party that spent 20 years complaining about the billions we spent on military support to prop up corrupt but US-friendly regimes now claims that not spending billions to prop up a corrupt but US-friendly regime is evidence of collaboration with the enemy.

prox 4y ago

It is already well documented that while part of what you say is true (favouring maga gop) that sowing the divisions in any way, shape or form is a goal is also true. Source : actual kgb agents who did this[0] 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5WjRjz5mTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5WjRjz5mTU

kube-system 4y ago

It is officially documented that Russia's campaigns have supported varying ideologies. While they do have some preference for foreign policy, it is also in their interest to increase division.

Haga 4y ago