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Swedish amateur archivist “Rosa Mannen” shut down from YouTube again
- RajT88 4y agoYoutube is the wrong place for this sort of thing, unfortunately. Archive.org is the right place for it.
- olodus 4y agoTrue. That or something like a Peertube instance.
- Buxato 4y agoOr Odysee
- aliqot 4y agoJust found this site not long ago. I like the old youtube feel with new interface.
- vanderZwan 4y agoOr even better: "that and". No reason to put all eggs in one basket, no? Especially when copying virtual eggs is so easy.
- sschueller 4y agoArchive.org should operate a peertube instance.
- zokier 4y agoarchive.org is good for public domain content, which this clearly is not. The right place for this would be offline tape archive.
- MichaelCollins 4y agoYou would think youtube would be fine with public domain content too. But this is not necessarily the case. Besides copyright strikes, youtube will also take videos down because they contain controversial content that advertisers don't like. They don't evaluate videos in the context of the video being old archived content representing old values from a different era. Particularly, I believe Jeff Quitney's channel (which was mostly old aerospace videos made by the US government, but was generally for whatever old film he got his hands on) got banned because some of the videos were old political propaganda which expressed views which are now verboten.
- Asparagirl 4y agoThe IA hosts lots of non-public-domain videos, including loads of rare ripped-from-VCR material. Copyright status rarely is an issue unless a copyright holder finds a specific video and makes an explicit DMCA claim against it. And even then, nothing is ever really deleted, just non-visible, for now…
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- MichaelCollins 4y agoYoutube banned the archivist Jeff Quitney a few years ago. This particularly stings because a lot of wikipedia articles still cite and link to videos he uploaded. You can find (most of?) his videos here now: https://archive.org/download/Jeff_Quitney_me https://archive.org/download/Jeff_Quitney_me
- vintermann 4y agoThere was a Danish church organist I came across on YouTube, who had worked his way through pretty much every Danish hymnal/school song book, and many Swedish and Norwegian ones too. He'd been at it for years. Then suddenly he was gone. I assume one too many of the songs he'd played must have had been too recent, and got copystriked. It's pretty sad that even marginal, plainly non-commercial work of an archival nature isn't left alone.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago> I assume one too many of the songs he'd played must have had been too recent, and got copystriked. I bet whatever songs got him banned were in the public domain, but ContentID thought it sounded too much like a copyrighted recording of the same song. This sort of thing happens all the time to musicians who upload themselves playing classical songs. It's infuriating.
- pannSun 4y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/twitter.com/TaylorLorenz https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/twitter.com/Tayl... https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/amren.com https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/amren.com Sorry. This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine. No reason or explanation given, or hint at who excluded it.
- RajT88 4y agoTo be clear: I'm not suggesting he archive a youtube video using the Wayback machine. (Does this even work?) I am suggesting he upload the files directly.
- toomuchtodo 4y agohttps://github.com/bibanon/tubeup https://github.com/bibanon/tubeup https://github.com/etnguyen03/docker-tubeup https://github.com/etnguyen03/docker-tubeup
- no-dr-onboard 4y agoFor those of us at home, Taylor Lorenz is the niece of Roger Macdonald, creator of The Internet Archive's "Television Archive".
- boomboomsubban 4y agoIs there any reason to suspect it's something besides the person behind the content requested their domain be excluded? Or IA behaving as they legally should and always have?
- pannSun 4y agoYes - the Archive's refusal to provide a reason. They don't get to have both the privilege of opaquely excluding content, and the assumption that all exclusions are for the most faultless reasons.
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- kkfx 4y agoA personal archive is a right place, with some file-sharing service to share...
- punchclockhero 4y agoNow that's a name I haven't heard in a while. Used to download his music video rips off thepiratebay. Much respect to media hoarders of all creeds.
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- norenh 4y agoThis is very sad news for all Swedes. Here is an article in english: https://sweden.postsen.com/trends/49453/The-YouTube-channel-Rosa-mannen-shut-down-after-reports.html https://sweden.postsen.com/trends/49453/The-YouTube-channel-... And for Swedes you can watch a short interview with him on Swedish Televison in the first 8 minutes of this program: https://www.svtplay.se/video/33989650/sverige/sverige-sasong-25-annika-norlin-fotografen-perfekt-rosa-mannen https://www.svtplay.se/video/33989650/sverige/sverige-sasong... The program above is from the last shutdown and the example given there about his most popular clip was a very old show of Bonnie Tyler. SVT, at the time, made the clip available officially via SVT Play again but has since disappeared from their service almost as a reminder that culture will disappear from the public unless enthusiast like Rosa Mannen can make them available somewhere.
- dmix 4y agoThe design of that https://www.svtplay.se/ https://www.svtplay.se/ site is nice. I like the page transition when you hit play.
- surfsvammel 4y agoSVT is public service TV in Sweden. SvtPlay their online streaming service. Lots of opinions about SVT (as there should be, it’s public!) but if you ask me, it’s super high quality and it’s something that I’m very proud of, as someone from Sweden.
- mongol 4y agoI am of a different opinion. I agree that SVT Play is technically well built and the service is useful. Also, there are good programs to be found. But I think it could be much better. For example the DW Documentary channel, which can be found on Youtube, has better documentaries on average, than are broadcast on SVT. Also, I feel like SVT has an abnoxious tendency to lecture their audience. I don't feel I am treated as an adult, but I am told what to think.
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- zokier 4y agoWhat do you think happens when you upload captured TV-content on YT?? From copyright point of view there is not really much difference between 20 day old content and 20 year old content, its all equally protected. Just saying that the intent is "archival" doesn't change anything
- vesinisa 4y agoYup, YouTube is probably the worst platform for archival. But isn't The Pirate Bay actually a Swedish site?
- mrweasel 4y agoSadly we have many hobbyist who do great work, but they are completely naive about the world. I'd hate to see the work go to waste. I think archiving these things are important, sadly people who work like this are making a ton of assumptions about how the world works and often completely ignore legal issues. It's often good that they do, if someone sat down and tried to handle the legality of the project first, then it would never get off the ground. Right now there's some hope that some Swedish organisation, The Internet Archive, maybe even YouTube, can step in and save the work. Then again there's a risk that no one can help. It is not much different that people building a community on Facebook, because it's easy, it gives them a ready made platform. An easy to use platform. Then they're surprised when Facebook close their account for violating a policy that was always there, but they never actually read Facebooks terms and condition (which I can understand). I'm sorry it happened to the guy, but you're right: "What did you think would happen?" The only surprise is that it didn't happen earlier.
- BlueTemplar 4y agoAnd nobody warned him ? Especially considering what happened to movie archives on MegaUpload and also after YouTube introducing ContentID ??
- naasking 4y ago> Just saying that the intent is "archival" doesn't change anything Well, it sort of does because copyright laws have carve outs for libraries and archiving.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoHistory is copyrighted. Sorry.
- dalke 4y agoThat was freaky! I live in Trollhättan and did NOT expect to immediately recognize the background scene of a picture linked-to from HN. If I'm not mistaken, here's the bench - https://www.google.com/maps/@58.2749468,12.270221,3a,60y,141.38h,91.31t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipP004NI77KlovQJ0uvZCyW0Ld7XnaJPtdFGFxT8!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipP004NI77KlovQJ0uvZCyW0Ld7XnaJPtdFGFxT8%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya235.0275-ro0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352 https://www.google.com/maps/@58.2749468,12.270221,3a,60y,141... . While it's right by the Olidan Hydroelectric Power Station, the photographer used a telephoto lens so Rosa Mannen is in the foreground and the upstream Hojum Hydroelectric Power Station is in the background. Here's a closer shot of Hojum: https://www.google.com/maps/@58.2789593,12.2774802,3a,75y,21.75h,81.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7O4J2wOMvJjL9LIgA7kaKQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.com/maps/@58.2789593,12.2774802,3a,75y,21...
- chmod775 4y agoURL was since changed. Here is the original article for context: https://www.gp.se/kultur/kultur/youtubekanalen-rosa-mannen-nedst%C3%A4ngd-igen-1.84848419 https://www.gp.se/kultur/kultur/youtubekanalen-rosa-mannen-n...
- dalke 4y agoHa! Thanks. I read it but didn't realize it was in Swedish. I mean, I did, but didn't realize HN linked to an article in Swedish and that others here might not read Swedish. "Everyone in Africa can read Swedish." - Mean Girls.
- dang 4y agoWe have deep respect for other languages, but HN is an English-language site. If there's an article about this in English, we can change the URL. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20english-language%20site&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- cridenour 4y agoHere's an English one: https://sweden.postsen.com/trends/49453/The-YouTube-channel-Rosa-mannen-shut-down-after-reports.html https://sweden.postsen.com/trends/49453/The-YouTube-channel-...
- dang 4y agoChanged from https://www.gp.se/kultur/kultur/youtubekanalen-rosa-mannen-nedst%C3%A4ngd-igen-1.84848419 https://www.gp.se/kultur/kultur/youtubekanalen-rosa-mannen-n.... Thanks!
- nkurz 4y agoPerhaps this rule should be added to https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html? Or is it already there and I missed it?
- dang 4y agoIt isn't there; the problem is that there are so many things we could add to that page that it's impossible to add them all.
- ahauxuueei 4y agoThis is very sad, indeed. I hope rosa mannen get restored (again). This type of archival work is very important for us interested in current & recent culture (This probably is all of us in some sense). There's so many cool archival efforts going on that unfortunatley seem to rely on youtube. As a nostalgic swede, i found this one recently. Its a mad ** archive of all of the early underground swedish hiphop. https://www.youtube.com/user/mfsthathustla/playlists https://www.youtube.com/user/mfsthathustla/playlists
- rodolphoarruda 4y agoI really thought BitTorrent would be the _de facto_ solution for data archiving at a planetary level. I thought dusty old computers would sync and store volumes of data across generations. Recorded history would be safe; it could even be checksummed for its integrity if needed. Unfortunately, we are still relying on a couple of companies as the main custodians of our recorded history. This can't be good and we'll keep receiving sad news about content vanishing from the Internet from one day to the other.
- JKCalhoun 4y agoyoutube-dl is still a thing, and data hoarders (hi!) are as well. Sadly, we often seem to learn of a treasure trove of content when it makes the news for having already been taken down.
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- hnarn 4y agoI really hope someone who has put this much time into archiving stuff didn’t put all his eggs in one basket and still has these archives sorted offline in case he wants to distribute them, would be awful to put so much time into something and then just have youtube pull it away.