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First, trolling is speech. It might be distasteful speech, but it's speech. Second, expressing yourself through actions is speech. Voting, donating money, danc

First, trolling is speech. It might be distasteful speech, but it's speech. Second, expressing yourself through actions is speech. Voting, donating money, dance, painting are all kinds of speech. Third, we have a long history of satire and parody impersonations that have been repeatedly upheld as not only acceptable, but valuable to a society.

randomdata 4y ago
Attempts to confuse identity are not normally held as acceptable, though. Parody and satire imply that there is some kind of exaggeration that makes it identifiable as such. In this case, without scrutinization, one could have easily thought Griffin's account was Musk's.
exodust 4y ago
> First, trolling is speech.... expressing yourself through actions is speech. Can't agree. It's like saying running red lights is "speech" because you're expressing yourself by driving like an idiot. Can we lift the bar just a little before something is "speech"? Satire and parody, absolutely. But those things are usually found in predictable places, like on a stage where the audience is expecting parody and satire. Or within the contents of a message. Not in the message header, trying to pretend like it came from somewhere else. If popular comedian Joe Bloggs booked a venue and sold tickets for a comedy night, then someone else turned up instead "surprise! It's parody guys"... not only would the venue owner be pissed, but so would every single person who bought a ticket. "It's just a prank bro" is a meme for a reason... and it's not a complement for the prankster. Trolling is blocking speech because it aims to dismantle the facilitation of speech.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  If you're running a red light to make a statement, that's speech. > If popular comedian Joe Bloggs booked a venue and sold tickets for a comedy night, then someone else turned up instead "surprise! It's parody guys" The problem there is the booking and the tickets. Not just walking around the street talking to people. This is definitely parody.

randomdata 4y ago

Attempts to confuse identity are not normally held as acceptable, though. Parody and satire imply that there is some kind of exaggeration that makes it identifiable as such. In this case, without scrutinization, one could have easily thought Griffin's account was Musk's.

exodust 4y ago

> First, trolling is speech.... expressing yourself through actions is speech. Can't agree. It's like saying running red lights is "speech" because you're expressing yourself by driving like an idiot. Can we lift the bar just a little before something is "speech"? Satire and parody, absolutely. But those things are usually found in predictable places, like on a stage where the audience is expecting parody and satire. Or within the contents of a message. Not in the message header, trying to pretend like it came from somewhere else. If popular comedian Joe Bloggs booked a venue and sold tickets for a comedy night, then someone else turned up instead "surprise! It's parody guys"... not only would the venue owner be pissed, but so would every single person who bought a ticket. "It's just a prank bro" is a meme for a reason... and it's not a complement for the prankster. Trolling is blocking speech because it aims to dismantle the facilitation of speech.

Dylan16807 4y ago
If you're running a red light to make a statement, that's speech. > If popular comedian Joe Bloggs booked a venue and sold tickets for a comedy night, then someone else turned up instead "surprise! It's parody guys" The problem there is the booking and the tickets. Not just walking around the street talking to people. This is definitely parody.