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> I don't understand why the EU bothers wasting money on these initiatives Because they don't cost much? If at all? > Why don't they buy a considerable stake

> I don't understand why the EU bothers wasting money on these initiatives Because they don't cost much? If at all? > Why don't they buy a considerable stake in these American social media companies instead of trying to reinvent the wheel that is deflating as soon as it launches. Because if they did, the US is going to freak out about foreign influence. just look at how the media is reporting on Saudi Arabia investing in Twitter. Saudi Arabia is one of biggest users for Twitter in the World(1), its where everything official gets announced, almost everyone has a Twitter account. > https://tube.network.europa.eu https://tube.network.europa.eu URL looks like a scam website. I agree, the URL is very weird, maybe mastodon/puretube.official.eu would've been better > There is no way tech illiterate people can use these websites. > Their first video that appears on the website "The future of data protection: Effective enforcement in the digital world - full video" is 1 week old and has 27 views. They can use this as a backup, or as a source of truth for any official content from the EU. 1. https://www.statista.com/statistics/242606/number-of-active-twitter-users-in-selected-countries/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/242606/number-of-active-... You need to take into account the percentage of users to the population, in SA its close to 50%.

pelasaco 4y ago
> Because they don't cost much? If at all? You are probably wrong here, but would be nice if EU was transparent enough to tell us how much it costs. It is a server management, patch management, content management, and etc.. i can imagine that isn't as cheap as you think, done by EU employees that are normally well paid.
- jacooper 4y ago
  Its an Instance only for EU officials, there aren't many users.
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    Their staff is around 32k. people. But still server maintenance, content management, etc.. I would love to know how much such services costs to us.
- scrollaway 4y ago
  I live in Brussels and have many friends in the EU bubble. EU employees are not as well paid as you think. The main perk has to do with how they’re taxed which is greatly advantageous and makes their salary look higher than most peers.
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    Well, they are well paid if you analyze their output. I worked there. I know how goal oriented they are.
- lastdong 4y ago
  https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_3473 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_... It’s public, as it should be. I haven’t search hard enough for this specific project, but if you email the right channel they should provide more details.
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    Probably you pasted the link without inspect it. I,however, read it and the information of how much such service costs isn't anywhere to find..or could point us out where did you find this information?
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- Rexxar 4y ago
  EU is always very transparent in general. How many time did you spend to search the answer to this question before saying "would be nice if EU was transparent enough to tell us how much it costs" ?
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    Yes I did. Did you?
    - Rexxar 4y ago
      Yes and I found the budget of the edps (the institution that manage EU voice, https://eur-lex.europa.eu/budget/data/General/2022/en/SEC09.pdf https://eur-lex.europa.eu/budget/data/General/2022/en/SEC09....) the split is not made by projects but we have page 30 "800000€" for all "Information technology equipment and services". But you can probably directly ask them more details if you want : https://edps.europa.eu/about/transparency/public-access-documents-register_en https://edps.europa.eu/about/transparency/public-access-docu...
      - pelasaco 4y ago
        Yup, as i stated, the answer are not there in the documents. For sure the maintenance of that service comes from the 850k/year, which is a lot of money for the amount of stuff that they do. thank you!
- shapefrog 4y ago
  https://ted.europa.eu/TED/search/canReport.do https://ted.europa.eu/TED/search/canReport.do Every contract given is reported. The work is almost certainly done under the broader umbrella of the Mixed Multiple Framework Contract for Digital Communication Services and Social Media (DCOMM1) https://etendering.ted.europa.eu/cft/cft-display.html?cftId= https://etendering.ted.europa.eu/cft/cft-display.html?cftId=...
arlort 4y ago
> mastodon/puretube.official.eu would've been better That's what europa.eu is, it's the official domain of the EU, every subdomain of europa.eu is an official website of the EU > > Their first video that appears on the website "The future of data protection: Effective enforcement in the digital world - full video" is 1 week old and has 27 views I just thought to check but funnily enough the exact same video posted on youtube also has 27 view, the EU just has horrific public outreach
- jacooper 4y ago
  > That's what europa.eu is, it's the official domain of the EU, every subdomain of europa.eu is an official website of the EU They should remove `.network` then
- Hoasi 4y ago
  > (…) the EU just has horrific public outreach Given the number of communication agencies working with the EU and since the EU had its own communication branches, one has to wonder whether having such a low outreach is by design and why this is.
  - arlort 4y ago
    > having such a low outreach is by design and why this is Not much to wonder about, public interest in the EU is abysmally low which is in good part because people don't know what the EU is or does. You'd need a good PSA campaign plus to teach "EU civics" as much (or at least almost so) as national civics in school. But both of those are never going to happen because for national governments it's much more convenient to keep the EU as something that can be blamed when things go wrong and pretend it doesn't exist when things go well So politicians don't talk about the EU when they should, newspapers care much less than they should and it trickles down to horrible participation rates in EU elections and even that is more often than not seen as a way for government/opposition national dynamics It's changing a bit but not enough
    - origin_path 4y ago
drstewart 4y ago
>the US is going to freak out about foreign influence The irony of posing this as hysterical considering 99% of this thread is people saying "Good! The EU shouldn't be dependent on foreign influences!!"
- jacooper 4y ago
  Well, he is asking why the EU is not trying to influence US tech.
- Ecstatify 4y ago
  The Norwegian pension fund already owns roughly 1% of many of the large tech giants, not sure what percentage would cause the US to start freaking out, especially as the EU is a close ally. Meta Platforms Inc 1.01% Twitter 0.89% Alphabet Inc 0.85% Apple Inc 0.84% Amazon.com Inc 0.81% reference: https://www.nbim.no/en/the-fund/investments/#/2021/investments/equities https://www.nbim.no/en/the-fund/investments/#/2021/investmen...
  - hef19898 4y ago
    That's very far from a controlling stake, by design if memory serves well regarding the Norwegian pension fund. Also, Norway is not part of the EU.
huffer 4y ago
> > Why don't they buy a considerable stake in these American social media companies also because there's this thing with physical location of the data: europeans' private data must never leave the EU
dools 4y ago
“ Saudi Arabia is one of biggest users for Twitter in the World(1), its where everything official gets announced, almost everyone has a Twitter account.” Yeah and how many middle eastern activists and journalists are now shitting themselves because the Saudi’s just put a cowboy edge lord in charge of their DMs
nradov 4y ago
A Twitter employee was literally working as a spy for Saudi Arabia. He passed private account information on Saudi dissidents to their intelligence service, which probably got some people tortured or killed. https://www.reuters.com/legal/former-twitter-employee-is-convicted-saudi-spy-case-2022-08-09/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/former-twitter-employee-is-con... If Twitter was penetrated by one spy then there are probably others who just haven't been caught yet.

pelasaco 4y ago

> Because they don't cost much? If at all? You are probably wrong here, but would be nice if EU was transparent enough to tell us how much it costs. It is a server management, patch management, content management, and etc.. i can imagine that isn't as cheap as you think, done by EU employees that are normally well paid.

jacooper 4y ago
Its an Instance only for EU officials, there aren't many users.
- pelasaco 4y ago
  Their staff is around 32k. people. But still server maintenance, content management, etc.. I would love to know how much such services costs to us.
scrollaway 4y ago
I live in Brussels and have many friends in the EU bubble. EU employees are not as well paid as you think. The main perk has to do with how they’re taxed which is greatly advantageous and makes their salary look higher than most peers.
- pelasaco 4y ago
  Well, they are well paid if you analyze their output. I worked there. I know how goal oriented they are.
lastdong 4y ago
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_3473 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_... It’s public, as it should be. I haven’t search hard enough for this specific project, but if you email the right channel they should provide more details.
- pelasaco 4y ago
  Probably you pasted the link without inspect it. I,however, read it and the information of how much such service costs isn't anywhere to find..or could point us out where did you find this information?
  - deleted 4y ago
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Rexxar 4y ago
EU is always very transparent in general. How many time did you spend to search the answer to this question before saying "would be nice if EU was transparent enough to tell us how much it costs" ?
- pelasaco 4y ago
  Yes I did. Did you?
  - Rexxar 4y ago
    Yes and I found the budget of the edps (the institution that manage EU voice, https://eur-lex.europa.eu/budget/data/General/2022/en/SEC09.pdf https://eur-lex.europa.eu/budget/data/General/2022/en/SEC09....) the split is not made by projects but we have page 30 "800000€" for all "Information technology equipment and services". But you can probably directly ask them more details if you want : https://edps.europa.eu/about/transparency/public-access-documents-register_en https://edps.europa.eu/about/transparency/public-access-docu...
    - pelasaco 4y ago
      Yup, as i stated, the answer are not there in the documents. For sure the maintenance of that service comes from the 850k/year, which is a lot of money for the amount of stuff that they do. thank you!
shapefrog 4y ago
https://ted.europa.eu/TED/search/canReport.do https://ted.europa.eu/TED/search/canReport.do Every contract given is reported. The work is almost certainly done under the broader umbrella of the Mixed Multiple Framework Contract for Digital Communication Services and Social Media (DCOMM1) https://etendering.ted.europa.eu/cft/cft-display.html?cftId= https://etendering.ted.europa.eu/cft/cft-display.html?cftId=...

arlort 4y ago

> mastodon/puretube.official.eu would've been better That's what europa.eu is, it's the official domain of the EU, every subdomain of europa.eu is an official website of the EU > > Their first video that appears on the website "The future of data protection: Effective enforcement in the digital world - full video" is 1 week old and has 27 views I just thought to check but funnily enough the exact same video posted on youtube also has 27 view, the EU just has horrific public outreach

jacooper 4y ago
> That's what europa.eu is, it's the official domain of the EU, every subdomain of europa.eu is an official website of the EU They should remove `.network` then
Hoasi 4y ago
> (…) the EU just has horrific public outreach Given the number of communication agencies working with the EU and since the EU had its own communication branches, one has to wonder whether having such a low outreach is by design and why this is.
- arlort 4y ago
  > having such a low outreach is by design and why this is Not much to wonder about, public interest in the EU is abysmally low which is in good part because people don't know what the EU is or does. You'd need a good PSA campaign plus to teach "EU civics" as much (or at least almost so) as national civics in school. But both of those are never going to happen because for national governments it's much more convenient to keep the EU as something that can be blamed when things go wrong and pretend it doesn't exist when things go well So politicians don't talk about the EU when they should, newspapers care much less than they should and it trickles down to horrible participation rates in EU elections and even that is more often than not seen as a way for government/opposition national dynamics It's changing a bit but not enough
  - origin_path 4y ago

drstewart 4y ago

>the US is going to freak out about foreign influence The irony of posing this as hysterical considering 99% of this thread is people saying "Good! The EU shouldn't be dependent on foreign influences!!"

jacooper 4y ago
Well, he is asking why the EU is not trying to influence US tech.
Ecstatify 4y ago
The Norwegian pension fund already owns roughly 1% of many of the large tech giants, not sure what percentage would cause the US to start freaking out, especially as the EU is a close ally. Meta Platforms Inc 1.01% Twitter 0.89% Alphabet Inc 0.85% Apple Inc 0.84% Amazon.com Inc 0.81% reference: https://www.nbim.no/en/the-fund/investments/#/2021/investments/equities https://www.nbim.no/en/the-fund/investments/#/2021/investmen...
- hef19898 4y ago
  That's very far from a controlling stake, by design if memory serves well regarding the Norwegian pension fund. Also, Norway is not part of the EU.

huffer 4y ago

> > Why don't they buy a considerable stake in these American social media companies also because there's this thing with physical location of the data: europeans' private data must never leave the EU

dools 4y ago

“ Saudi Arabia is one of biggest users for Twitter in the World(1), its where everything official gets announced, almost everyone has a Twitter account.” Yeah and how many middle eastern activists and journalists are now shitting themselves because the Saudi’s just put a cowboy edge lord in charge of their DMs

nradov 4y ago

A Twitter employee was literally working as a spy for Saudi Arabia. He passed private account information on Saudi dissidents to their intelligence service, which probably got some people tortured or killed. https://www.reuters.com/legal/former-twitter-employee-is-convicted-saudi-spy-case-2022-08-09/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/former-twitter-employee-is-con... If Twitter was penetrated by one spy then there are probably others who just haven't been caught yet.