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There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. But I honestly don't understand this whole argument. Twitter is a so

There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. But I honestly don't understand this whole argument. Twitter is a social network, you just need to only receive messages from your network or "friends of a friend". You can't have both a global network and get offended given the multitude of opinions and laws in the world. The problem seems to be less that people are offended by something, but that some people don't want other people to even be exposed to some thoughts. Some paternalistic higher-than-though attitude.

ithkuil 4y ago
> There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. Even taking at face value what you just said, it doesn't logically follow that if having one or more places like 4chan is just fine, having online venues be like 4chan would be just fine as well.
nullc 4y ago
> There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. 4chan is actually heavily moderated. It may just not be legible to you because they're not removing the stuff you're expecting but different stuff instead. There are factors like topicality, being small sized, or being highly ephemeral which make moderation easier or lower amounts more viable-- but twitter is pretty weak in those respects, sadly-- I think that's how it manages to both have a reputation for being toxic and overly moderated.
freejazz 4y ago
Oh 4chan? Great! Everyone is going to love that.
atoav 4y ago
> There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. Working fine at doing what? Emulating a thousand typing monkeys? Arguing that 4chan has some form of working discourse and rherefore everything should be like it is like arguing there is still some message at the end in the childrens game "silent mail" and therefore it should replace all methods of communication. Don't get me wrong, there probably even is some sort of use in the existence of something like 4chan (I bet some sociology doctorate has written about the function of the platform for certain demographic parts of the population for example). But there is probably a reason why you are discussion this topic here on HN instead of over there. And if I guess, this reason has all to do with you being able to have better, cleverer and more informed discussion here, than over there and is not at all hindered by the fact that the HN moderation would cut your voice off if you just pressed the right (wrong) buttons. Some form of moderation is always better for discussion than none at all, unless you are making some sort of social experiment.

ithkuil 4y ago

> There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. Even taking at face value what you just said, it doesn't logically follow that if having one or more places like 4chan is just fine, having online venues be like 4chan would be just fine as well.

nullc 4y ago

> There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. 4chan is actually heavily moderated. It may just not be legible to you because they're not removing the stuff you're expecting but different stuff instead. There are factors like topicality, being small sized, or being highly ephemeral which make moderation easier or lower amounts more viable-- but twitter is pretty weak in those respects, sadly-- I think that's how it manages to both have a reputation for being toxic and overly moderated.

freejazz 4y ago

Oh 4chan? Great! Everyone is going to love that.

atoav 4y ago

> There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. Working fine at doing what? Emulating a thousand typing monkeys? Arguing that 4chan has some form of working discourse and rherefore everything should be like it is like arguing there is still some message at the end in the childrens game "silent mail" and therefore it should replace all methods of communication. Don't get me wrong, there probably even is some sort of use in the existence of something like 4chan (I bet some sociology doctorate has written about the function of the platform for certain demographic parts of the population for example). But there is probably a reason why you are discussion this topic here on HN instead of over there. And if I guess, this reason has all to do with you being able to have better, cleverer and more informed discussion here, than over there and is not at all hindered by the fact that the HN moderation would cut your voice off if you just pressed the right (wrong) buttons. Some form of moderation is always better for discussion than none at all, unless you are making some sort of social experiment.