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No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckle

No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckless people.

mlindner 4y ago
Mastodon is only free of issues because the masses haven't found it yet. Give it a few years and it'll be the same as or worse than twitter, given Mastodon's lack of moderation.
- SamWhited 4y ago
  Mastodon doesn't have a lack of moderation, in fact, it's architecture tends to segregate people out into instances by interest, making it easy to moderate as long as you keep your instance small (most of the really bad stuff will be on a handful of instances that allow it, so you can just block them and only have to deal with the minor problems on your own instance). Mastodon also tends to have one or more moderators per instance, so it probably has a lot more people with moderation privileges than a big centralized company, which can only afford to hire so many people in the call center to handle moderation.
  - dumpsterlid 4y ago
    The key here is mastodon isn't a business, so moderation isn't entirely focused on being cheap. Mastodon, correctly in my opinion, identifies social networks as community resources not as entities to extraft profit from.
- serf 4y ago
  this is written as if you don't understand federated services. How will it be the same or worse? Which member of it? Mastodon is simply a social federation enabling software; it's similarly abstract to refer to Twitter's software infrastructure.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Moderation shmoderation, but irt "the masses" it seems like a lot of this fediverse stuff tops out in the hundreds of users per instance, not in the thousands or tens of thousands. I'd love to be corrected on this, as I'm afraid that if Mastodon gets one good news day, the entire network would instantly crash.
- losteric 4y ago
  > Give it a few years and it'll be the same as or worse than twitter, given Mastodon's lack of moderation. Why is lack of moderation a problem on Mastodon? Twitter pushes content from random users you don't follow, that creates a responsibility to moderate (plus they need to keep the advertisers happy). The Mastodon timeline is direct follows. If I see some stuff I don't like, I can talk with that person or simply unfollow them.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    > Twitter pushes content from random users you don't follow and the TweakNewTwitter browser add-on rejects it, along with "trending" and all the rest. Add in ublock origin and you've pretty much got Twitter the way I thought it should be.
- mariusor 4y ago
  Mastodon has plenty of moderation: every instance has it's own people, when questionable content makes its way from a non moderated instance to others, the moderators of the others can moderate it. If an instance receives moderation requests from the rest of the fediverse and doesn't act on it, it eventually gets defederated. Having a process that distributes the load of moderation is better, IMNHO, than piling all that work on underpaid people.
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trident5000 4y ago
Why does this feel so forced and astroturfed on this site and yet has essentially no traction
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Musk's idea is to piss off 10% of the left and right of the spectrum and keep the middle 80% happy. The left 10% will hang out on Mastodon or Fediverse, the right 10% will go on Gab or whatever. I think what's happenning is great for all. You do you™.
  - trident5000 4y ago
    Works for me. Getting these clowns off the main sites sounds wonderful.
    - systemvoltage 4y ago
      The 20% has caused so much havoc in society, 80% needs to push back and make the world better.
  - wrycoder 4y ago
    Gab is a Mastodon fork that's basically locked out of the Mastodon Fediverse by the moderators. There's no reason why Mastodon qua infrastructure should be identified with the "right".
- gjm11 4y ago
  For what it's worth, it doesn't to me. Discussing Mastodon is hardly "forced" when the overall topic is a new decentralized alternative to Twitter, since Mastodon is a decentralized alternative to Twitter that's been around for a while. It seems unlikely that this is astroturf given that the person who posted it has been on HN for over a decade (though admittedly not super-active) and their comments are on a wide range of topics and not just Twitter or Mastodon.
- freejazz 4y ago
  That could be a hint to reflect on your thought process
elforce002 4y ago
Interesting. So you're creating your bubble just because you don't want anyone challenging your opinions. Let's see how that goes a year from now.
- freejazz 4y ago
  What about me, who never used Twitter and wont use this either? Did I make a bubble because I don't want people to challenge my opinions? How many tweets do I need to read a day until I have sufficiently challenged my opinions?
  - elforce002 4y ago
    What? If you've never used twitter, why do you even care now? If you use ig, reddit, fb, that's ok. If you like to have conversations with people in person, that's ok too. I just don't understand why people are worked out by Elon buying twitter. If you think twitter is going to become more of a cesspool, then by all means use mastodom, gettr, truth social, etc... I was just stating that if twitter was bad before, these new alternatives will be 10x worse since they will create truly silos and radicalize even more people. To each their own.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      Why would I care that I'm in a bubble? Because I don't want to be. You were just suggesting that by not using these certain apps, the poster was forcing themselves into an ignorant bubble. I'm asking you, is that true of someone that doesn't use twitter outright?

No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckless people.

mlindner 4y ago

Mastodon is only free of issues because the masses haven't found it yet. Give it a few years and it'll be the same as or worse than twitter, given Mastodon's lack of moderation.

SamWhited 4y ago
Mastodon doesn't have a lack of moderation, in fact, it's architecture tends to segregate people out into instances by interest, making it easy to moderate as long as you keep your instance small (most of the really bad stuff will be on a handful of instances that allow it, so you can just block them and only have to deal with the minor problems on your own instance). Mastodon also tends to have one or more moderators per instance, so it probably has a lot more people with moderation privileges than a big centralized company, which can only afford to hire so many people in the call center to handle moderation.
- dumpsterlid 4y ago
  The key here is mastodon isn't a business, so moderation isn't entirely focused on being cheap. Mastodon, correctly in my opinion, identifies social networks as community resources not as entities to extraft profit from.
serf 4y ago
this is written as if you don't understand federated services. How will it be the same or worse? Which member of it? Mastodon is simply a social federation enabling software; it's similarly abstract to refer to Twitter's software infrastructure.
pessimizer 4y ago
Moderation shmoderation, but irt "the masses" it seems like a lot of this fediverse stuff tops out in the hundreds of users per instance, not in the thousands or tens of thousands. I'd love to be corrected on this, as I'm afraid that if Mastodon gets one good news day, the entire network would instantly crash.
losteric 4y ago
> Give it a few years and it'll be the same as or worse than twitter, given Mastodon's lack of moderation. Why is lack of moderation a problem on Mastodon? Twitter pushes content from random users you don't follow, that creates a responsibility to moderate (plus they need to keep the advertisers happy). The Mastodon timeline is direct follows. If I see some stuff I don't like, I can talk with that person or simply unfollow them.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  > Twitter pushes content from random users you don't follow and the TweakNewTwitter browser add-on rejects it, along with "trending" and all the rest. Add in ublock origin and you've pretty much got Twitter the way I thought it should be.
mariusor 4y ago
Mastodon has plenty of moderation: every instance has it's own people, when questionable content makes its way from a non moderated instance to others, the moderators of the others can moderate it. If an instance receives moderation requests from the rest of the fediverse and doesn't act on it, it eventually gets defederated. Having a process that distributes the load of moderation is better, IMNHO, than piling all that work on underpaid people.

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trident5000 4y ago

Why does this feel so forced and astroturfed on this site and yet has essentially no traction

systemvoltage 4y ago
Musk's idea is to piss off 10% of the left and right of the spectrum and keep the middle 80% happy. The left 10% will hang out on Mastodon or Fediverse, the right 10% will go on Gab or whatever. I think what's happenning is great for all. You do you™.
- trident5000 4y ago
  Works for me. Getting these clowns off the main sites sounds wonderful.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    The 20% has caused so much havoc in society, 80% needs to push back and make the world better.
- wrycoder 4y ago
  Gab is a Mastodon fork that's basically locked out of the Mastodon Fediverse by the moderators. There's no reason why Mastodon qua infrastructure should be identified with the "right".
gjm11 4y ago
For what it's worth, it doesn't to me. Discussing Mastodon is hardly "forced" when the overall topic is a new decentralized alternative to Twitter, since Mastodon is a decentralized alternative to Twitter that's been around for a while. It seems unlikely that this is astroturf given that the person who posted it has been on HN for over a decade (though admittedly not super-active) and their comments are on a wide range of topics and not just Twitter or Mastodon.
freejazz 4y ago
That could be a hint to reflect on your thought process

elforce002 4y ago

Interesting. So you're creating your bubble just because you don't want anyone challenging your opinions. Let's see how that goes a year from now.

freejazz 4y ago
What about me, who never used Twitter and wont use this either? Did I make a bubble because I don't want people to challenge my opinions? How many tweets do I need to read a day until I have sufficiently challenged my opinions?
- elforce002 4y ago
  What? If you've never used twitter, why do you even care now? If you use ig, reddit, fb, that's ok. If you like to have conversations with people in person, that's ok too. I just don't understand why people are worked out by Elon buying twitter. If you think twitter is going to become more of a cesspool, then by all means use mastodom, gettr, truth social, etc... I was just stating that if twitter was bad before, these new alternatives will be 10x worse since they will create truly silos and radicalize even more people. To each their own.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    Why would I care that I'm in a bubble? Because I don't want to be. You were just suggesting that by not using these certain apps, the poster was forcing themselves into an ignorant bubble. I'm asking you, is that true of someone that doesn't use twitter outright?