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Birdwatch is not new but this is new: >Birdwatch doesn’t work by majority rules. To identify notes that are helpful to a wide range of people, Birdwatch rating
by keewee7 4y ago
Birdwatch is not new but this is new:
>Birdwatch doesn’t work by majority rules. To identify notes that are helpful to a wide range of people, Birdwatch ratings requires agreement between contributors who have sometimes disagreed in their past ratings. This helps prevent one-sided ratings.
This is something Elon Musk tweeted out recently. He seems to think that agreement on topic B by people who previously disagreed on topic A means they must be right on topic B.
- pjkundert 4y agoNo, it means diversity of opinion.
- keewee7 4y agoKeep the "diversity of opinion" in the tweets but not in the fact checking.
- claytongulick 4y agoHow?
- lumost 4y agoWould like to see some data on this, but it sounds like an effective rating system. I’d be concerned that getting statistical significance would be challenging without creating pseudo pairs of labelers likely to disagree on issues.
- keewee7 4y agoIn Europe the political fringes, the far-left and far-right, disagree about almost everything. But they have also agreed on a lot of things like being anti-EU and pro-Russia. Elon Musk's system will consider their opinions about the EU and Russia to be more correct than that of other users.
- naasking 4y ago> Elon Musk's system will consider their opinions about the EU and Russia to be more correct than that of other users Speculation. Also, this system predates Musk's acquisition.
- wongarsu 4y agoThis is known as the horseshoe effect, where far-left and far-right are closer to each other than they are to the center. It doesn't necessarily doom the system though, as long as people with extreme views don't outnumber more moderate people. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
- nqlart 4y agoBut (as stated) they disagree on most things. Because they are both usually in the opposition to the governing parties, they do opposition work and present dissenting opinions on vaccine efficacy, war support etc. Often these few common topics overlap with the libertarian viewpoint.
- wongarsu 4y agoI don't understand that argument. If the government supports a war, doesn't that make any opposition parties more likely to agree with each other that the war is bad? Of course they can disagree with the war for different reason, but both parties being in opposition and dissenting still makes them more likely to have common ground. Edit: unless we are talking about one or two party systems, there the dynamics are stranger
- watwut 4y agoThey agree on few things and disagree on most. Horse shoe effect is just a way how to dismiss actual real politics and ideologies so one can wave hands.
- wongarsu 4y agoThey disagree on a lot of things, but they also disagree on a lot of things with moderate people, so that observation alone doesn't refute "far-left and far-right are closer to each other than they are to the center". Of course the horseshoe effect is not some objective truth that's true in every country, that would be silly. I think the interesting part of it is that extreme ends of any political spectrum experience a similar environment: they are often shunned, distrust the mainstream media, attract social outcasts, etc. Just the shared experience of being on the edge of the spectrum often leads to similarities between them.
- BryantD 4y agoThat is not new. The documentation is checked into GitHub[1]. It was checked in on March 2nd, 2022. This was a month before Musk bought his 9.2% share of Twitter. [1] https://github.com/twitter/birdwatch/blob/main/content/diversity-of-perspectives.md https://github.com/twitter/birdwatch/blob/main/content/diver...
- sgc 4y agoSo easy for a government twitter farm to game, and amplify the "authority" of the opinions they care about after disagreeing on starcraft or cooking.
- clarkmoody 4y agoYet still more difficult than having a direct login for government to come in and censor things, the existence of which leaked a few weeks ago.
- sgc 4y agoTwo different use cases, both of which suck.
- madeofpalk 4y agoLink? I missed the news about this.
- stevewatson301 4y agohttps://thepostmillennial.com/facebook-portal-for-dhs-content-removal-remains-live https://thepostmillennial.com/facebook-portal-for-dhs-conten...
- vintermann 4y agoI don't know what kind of site "thepostmillennial" is, but I'm fairly sure the story referred to is this: https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformation-dhs/ https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformat...