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> This person can get married and raise a family while still waiting for that green card. That's your mistake right here - making long term plans while being o

by 988747 4y ago

> This person can get married and raise a family while still waiting for that green card. That's your mistake right here - making long term plans while being on temporary visa. Just assume that you're here for a few years to make money, and then need to go back to your home country. That's the idea behind H-1B visas anyway.

adityasaky 4y ago
chimeracoder 4y ago
> That's your mistake right here - making long term plans while being on temporary visa. Just assume that you're here for a few years to make money, and then need to go back to your home country. That's the idea behind H-1B visas anyway. Just to be clear, since H-1B (or visas with similar restrictions) are the only path to permanent residency for people of many countries, this attitude is tantamount to "we don't want any immigrants from ______, period".
UncleMeat 4y ago
The green card wait for chinese and indian citizens is decades long. This is "don't make any long term plans until you are 50" kind of advice. The idea behind h1b is to bring people to this country to work in useful and productive ways. Telling people to get the fuck out after a few years of work (even if they've spent 8-10 years in school here prior to that) is heartless and definitely not good for the country.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  > The idea behind h1b is to bring people to this country to work in useful and productive ways. Specifically, in a temporary way. H1B is not an immigration visa, it's a temporary working visa, for which duel-intent is acknowledged (it's legal for an H1B holder to intend to get and apply for a green card.) But at the end of the day, an H1B visa is still a temporary work visa, not an immigration visa. I'm not saying I like it. If it were up to me all the temporary work visas would be done away with and replaced with a system of permanent visas. But it is what it is.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    It leads to immigration in the sense that an H1-B terminates in a green card or the worker loses it after 6 years. Compared to a Chinese Z work visa, which you can just renew indefinitely and has no path to a permanent residency, an H1-B is a completely different beast.
  - wobbly_bush 4y ago
    That's hiding behind technicalities. A person on H1B needs to leave the country within 30 days after being laid off. What life plans can one make around that? Even a simple housing lease is minimum 12 months in most parts of the country.
galdosdi 4y ago
OK, why don't you volunteer then to give up the basic human tendency to fall in love, and give it up indefinitely for many years at a time? It's not temporary if it can last for a decade, is it? Just live a pathetic little life in a box, collecting money for the day, many years away, when you can finally let yourself be a human again? Tell me, which decade of your life would you be OK with throwing away this way? Your 20s? Your 30s? Get back to me on that. By the same logic college students should never date, as they may move somewhere far off after graduating. Sadly, while there is surgery that takes away your ability to procreate, there is as yet no surgery that will supress your ability to fall in love or to live a normal life. So even if an immigrant comes here with the same stupid mindset you are displaying, and tries hard to never fall in love, it may happen anyway. I don't know if I've read a more unempathetic statement on HN. Perhaps you are a happy lifelong bachelor, and can't relate to any other point of view. That is the only case that would make me understand where you're coming from, for if you have ever actually experienced love, you would understand the hypocrisy of your view.
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- 988747 4y ago
  Well, it's not like decades-long delay for green card processing is something that surprises you - it is known long before you set foot in the US. Why would you plan your life around the assumption that somehow the issue won't apply to you? Also, H-1B visas are relatively short term (6 years tops) so that's the time to figure out your green card chances and life plans. Finally, it's not like love somehow totally strips you of the ability to think rationally. If it is, it's not love, it's obsession.
  - DesiLurker 4y ago
    this is unimaginably callous, do you not see the worker attached to the visa is a human being. they cant even have the most basics of human need by the virtue of being on a visa? you guys basically want immigrants to be slaves & guess what that works for your employers but not you the populus. your anger & callousness towards immigrants is misdirected. btw No H1B is just 6years, thats just paperwork, all employers know this & workers know this & us gov knows it too because you commonly file for a GC near the end of that term & use it to further your stay. the problem parent post is facing is that us immigration rules are unclear and adhoc in many cases & folks in the pipeline end up suffering for it mostly.

by 988747 4y ago

adityasaky 4y ago

chimeracoder 4y ago

> That's your mistake right here - making long term plans while being on temporary visa. Just assume that you're here for a few years to make money, and then need to go back to your home country. That's the idea behind H-1B visas anyway. Just to be clear, since H-1B (or visas with similar restrictions) are the only path to permanent residency for people of many countries, this attitude is tantamount to "we don't want any immigrants from ______, period".

UncleMeat 4y ago

The green card wait for chinese and indian citizens is decades long. This is "don't make any long term plans until you are 50" kind of advice. The idea behind h1b is to bring people to this country to work in useful and productive ways. Telling people to get the fuck out after a few years of work (even if they've spent 8-10 years in school here prior to that) is heartless and definitely not good for the country.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
> The idea behind h1b is to bring people to this country to work in useful and productive ways. Specifically, in a temporary way. H1B is not an immigration visa, it's a temporary working visa, for which duel-intent is acknowledged (it's legal for an H1B holder to intend to get and apply for a green card.) But at the end of the day, an H1B visa is still a temporary work visa, not an immigration visa. I'm not saying I like it. If it were up to me all the temporary work visas would be done away with and replaced with a system of permanent visas. But it is what it is.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  It leads to immigration in the sense that an H1-B terminates in a green card or the worker loses it after 6 years. Compared to a Chinese Z work visa, which you can just renew indefinitely and has no path to a permanent residency, an H1-B is a completely different beast.
- wobbly_bush 4y ago
  That's hiding behind technicalities. A person on H1B needs to leave the country within 30 days after being laid off. What life plans can one make around that? Even a simple housing lease is minimum 12 months in most parts of the country.

galdosdi 4y ago

OK, why don't you volunteer then to give up the basic human tendency to fall in love, and give it up indefinitely for many years at a time? It's not temporary if it can last for a decade, is it? Just live a pathetic little life in a box, collecting money for the day, many years away, when you can finally let yourself be a human again? Tell me, which decade of your life would you be OK with throwing away this way? Your 20s? Your 30s? Get back to me on that. By the same logic college students should never date, as they may move somewhere far off after graduating. Sadly, while there is surgery that takes away your ability to procreate, there is as yet no surgery that will supress your ability to fall in love or to live a normal life. So even if an immigrant comes here with the same stupid mindset you are displaying, and tries hard to never fall in love, it may happen anyway. I don't know if I've read a more unempathetic statement on HN. Perhaps you are a happy lifelong bachelor, and can't relate to any other point of view. That is the only case that would make me understand where you're coming from, for if you have ever actually experienced love, you would understand the hypocrisy of your view.

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988747 4y ago
Well, it's not like decades-long delay for green card processing is something that surprises you - it is known long before you set foot in the US. Why would you plan your life around the assumption that somehow the issue won't apply to you? Also, H-1B visas are relatively short term (6 years tops) so that's the time to figure out your green card chances and life plans. Finally, it's not like love somehow totally strips you of the ability to think rationally. If it is, it's not love, it's obsession.
- DesiLurker 4y ago
  this is unimaginably callous, do you not see the worker attached to the visa is a human being. they cant even have the most basics of human need by the virtue of being on a visa? you guys basically want immigrants to be slaves & guess what that works for your employers but not you the populus. your anger & callousness towards immigrants is misdirected. btw No H1B is just 6years, thats just paperwork, all employers know this & workers know this & us gov knows it too because you commonly file for a GC near the end of that term & use it to further your stay. the problem parent post is facing is that us immigration rules are unclear and adhoc in many cases & folks in the pipeline end up suffering for it mostly.