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They were just bought by Akamai so unfortunately things like this are bound to happen if they are trying to integrate with Akamai the way they'd need to success

They were just bought by Akamai so unfortunately things like this are bound to happen if they are trying to integrate with Akamai the way they'd need to successfully keep growing. I'm not talking just software integration but process and people integration as well. We'll see I guess!

teknopaul 4y ago
I don't think many users will be affected by dhcp outage. Most linodes have fixed IPs. Mine don't seem to be affected
- mritzmann 4y ago
  > Most linodes have fixed IPs I would expect the opposite. Doesn't DHCP make more sense, for example, if the user creates a snapshot and restores it with a new IP? I don't use Lenode, so I can't judge, but I would expect DHCP to be default.
  - kyrra 4y ago
    Default created Debian based linodes use a static IP. How they assign you the IP is they have an initial network boot script that injects that static IP into your config. I learned this because I wanted to test image recovery of deleted linode. When I restored it, I got a different IP address from linode (the static IP assigned to me), and I couldn't connect to it. Using the web console I found the IP address was hard coded to the old one still.
    - bogantech 4y ago
      Maybe this changed recently but I created a few Debian instances this year, both were configured with DHCP by default
      - ryandrake 4y ago
        Just checked my tiny Nanode 1 GB image (Fremont) running Debian and it's indeed running dhclient. Still have access, but I need the instance this weekend for a virtual event. Kind of sucky timing for a potential outage, Linode.
- exikyut 4y ago
  That being said, maybe check if you have `dhclient`, `dhcpcd`, `systemd-resolved`, or (less likely) `dnsmasq` or `bind` running (htop / ps aux). If you do, your instance may fall over after its DHCP lease expires and it then presumably fails to acquire a new one and goes all 169.254.x.x on you. The possible counterpoint / information-vacuum bit here is that I don't know what the DHCP lease time is, so the expiry may already have happened. IOW, apparently this started 4h ago, and so the last leases were presumably issued 4h ago, and maybe the lease length is 1h, so everything's already as dead as it's going to get, so maybe if you're not already dead, you're fine.
- simmons 4y ago
  For Linode Ubuntu 22.04 installations, at least, the default seems to be DHCP, even if the IP address is fixed. And I certainly wouldn't have thought anything about this, since even when using fixed IP addresses, I'm in the habit of using DHCP to provide a central source of IP address truth for my networks, to ease the pain of the inevitable renumbering.
- jpmattia 4y ago
  > Most linodes have fixed IPs. We run some Windows instances, which were DHCP out of laziness. <facepalm> [edit: It's a PITA to fire up a Windows instance on Linode. Once working, switching out of DHCP is near the bottom of the todo list.]
- bombcar 4y ago
  Most have DHCP-fixed IPs. The IP lease never changes but it's assigned by DHCP - check your settings (mine was in /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml dhcp4: yes
ubermonkey 4y ago
I'm absolutely certain Akamai will fuck Linode up, same as Rackspace ruined Slicehost -- which is what sent me to Linode in the first place. I'm waiting for a new Linode to pop up.
- esskay 4y ago
  Out of curiosity what is a new competitor going to offer that the existing well established ones like DigitaoOcean, Vultr, etc arent?
  - ubermonkey 4y ago
    I would much rather deal with a human-scale firm than a giant one. That alone would get me to switch, even at greater cost.
  - mekster 4y ago
    DigitalOcean doesn't have much Asian presence, Linode's backup doesn't support non default file system like zfs, DO / Linode don't have HDD block storage like Vultr does (which I think is a hidden gem you can't realize until you go add one as it's not mentioned in the pricing page) that can be a very nice option to throw backup data in at 40GB/$. Vultr's CPU isn't as good as the other 2 by the look of sysbench, even for high frequency types. Those 3 vendors only have 2 or 3 backup slots which can be kind of unreliable if you didn't notice data loss over a weekend and weekly backup can be too far apart. Hetzner is almost perfect if they have a bit more location. Very cheap, very high performing, daily backup with plenty of slots but no HDD block storage. Sometimes Amazon Lightsail can be a decent option as they have 7 daily backup slots, free bandwidth is comparable to the others and prices aren't bad except their CPU suck. Small things but none are perfect.
    - tomxor 4y ago
      > DO / Linode don't have HDD block storage Linode have had block storage for ages, I use them for ZFS.
      - 4y ago
bongobingo1 4y ago
The Akamai acquisition has had me kind of stressed to be honest. Here in Oceania there aren't a whole lot of established "cloud" hosts to pick from that host locally. Linode is fantastic and I have loved them for 10+ years. Digital Ocean doesn't host here, nearest is Singapore. Vultr does but I have had poor experiences with them. The other options are AWS and Google which are potentially unbounded expenses which is hard to sell to clients that already see $12/m (aud) as a cost sink, no matter what the server+service will save them in seat time. There are of course local hosts but they're either oversold cpanel hosts or comparatively expensive (3-10x the price for the same hardware). I guess it just feeds from my existential dread of being a small fish where if any one of these upstream providers decide "oh, no we flagged that account because of [black box reason], sorry!", you can be out a lively hood with no real recourse. Guess it just kinda sucks to be at what feels like the end of the long tail of infrastructure.
- prng2021 4y ago
  Just curious, what caused the poor experience with Vultr?
  - texasbigdata 4y ago
    Not OP but just a guess, vultr was founded 2014 and linode is 2003. Obviously not a proxy for quality, but it’s one data point as to potentially why.
    - doctor_eval 4y ago
      Was going to ask the same. I’ve used vultr for years and found them rock solid, and have had good support when needed. They also just opened a DC in Melbourne.
- flakeoil 4y ago
  These guys are in Australia amongst other locations: https://www.ovhcloud.com/ https://www.ovhcloud.com/

teknopaul 4y ago

I don't think many users will be affected by dhcp outage. Most linodes have fixed IPs. Mine don't seem to be affected

mritzmann 4y ago
> Most linodes have fixed IPs I would expect the opposite. Doesn't DHCP make more sense, for example, if the user creates a snapshot and restores it with a new IP? I don't use Lenode, so I can't judge, but I would expect DHCP to be default.
- kyrra 4y ago
  Default created Debian based linodes use a static IP. How they assign you the IP is they have an initial network boot script that injects that static IP into your config. I learned this because I wanted to test image recovery of deleted linode. When I restored it, I got a different IP address from linode (the static IP assigned to me), and I couldn't connect to it. Using the web console I found the IP address was hard coded to the old one still.
  - bogantech 4y ago
    Maybe this changed recently but I created a few Debian instances this year, both were configured with DHCP by default
    - ryandrake 4y ago
      Just checked my tiny Nanode 1 GB image (Fremont) running Debian and it's indeed running dhclient. Still have access, but I need the instance this weekend for a virtual event. Kind of sucky timing for a potential outage, Linode.
exikyut 4y ago
That being said, maybe check if you have `dhclient`, `dhcpcd`, `systemd-resolved`, or (less likely) `dnsmasq` or `bind` running (htop / ps aux). If you do, your instance may fall over after its DHCP lease expires and it then presumably fails to acquire a new one and goes all 169.254.x.x on you. The possible counterpoint / information-vacuum bit here is that I don't know what the DHCP lease time is, so the expiry may already have happened. IOW, apparently this started 4h ago, and so the last leases were presumably issued 4h ago, and maybe the lease length is 1h, so everything's already as dead as it's going to get, so maybe if you're not already dead, you're fine.
simmons 4y ago
For Linode Ubuntu 22.04 installations, at least, the default seems to be DHCP, even if the IP address is fixed. And I certainly wouldn't have thought anything about this, since even when using fixed IP addresses, I'm in the habit of using DHCP to provide a central source of IP address truth for my networks, to ease the pain of the inevitable renumbering.
jpmattia 4y ago
> Most linodes have fixed IPs. We run some Windows instances, which were DHCP out of laziness. <facepalm> [edit: It's a PITA to fire up a Windows instance on Linode. Once working, switching out of DHCP is near the bottom of the todo list.]
bombcar 4y ago
Most have DHCP-fixed IPs. The IP lease never changes but it's assigned by DHCP - check your settings (mine was in /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml dhcp4: yes

ubermonkey 4y ago

I'm absolutely certain Akamai will fuck Linode up, same as Rackspace ruined Slicehost -- which is what sent me to Linode in the first place. I'm waiting for a new Linode to pop up.

esskay 4y ago
Out of curiosity what is a new competitor going to offer that the existing well established ones like DigitaoOcean, Vultr, etc arent?
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  I would much rather deal with a human-scale firm than a giant one. That alone would get me to switch, even at greater cost.
- mekster 4y ago
  DigitalOcean doesn't have much Asian presence, Linode's backup doesn't support non default file system like zfs, DO / Linode don't have HDD block storage like Vultr does (which I think is a hidden gem you can't realize until you go add one as it's not mentioned in the pricing page) that can be a very nice option to throw backup data in at 40GB/$. Vultr's CPU isn't as good as the other 2 by the look of sysbench, even for high frequency types. Those 3 vendors only have 2 or 3 backup slots which can be kind of unreliable if you didn't notice data loss over a weekend and weekly backup can be too far apart. Hetzner is almost perfect if they have a bit more location. Very cheap, very high performing, daily backup with plenty of slots but no HDD block storage. Sometimes Amazon Lightsail can be a decent option as they have 7 daily backup slots, free bandwidth is comparable to the others and prices aren't bad except their CPU suck. Small things but none are perfect.
  - tomxor 4y ago
    > DO / Linode don't have HDD block storage Linode have had block storage for ages, I use them for ZFS.
    - 4y ago

bongobingo1 4y ago

The Akamai acquisition has had me kind of stressed to be honest. Here in Oceania there aren't a whole lot of established "cloud" hosts to pick from that host locally. Linode is fantastic and I have loved them for 10+ years. Digital Ocean doesn't host here, nearest is Singapore. Vultr does but I have had poor experiences with them. The other options are AWS and Google which are potentially unbounded expenses which is hard to sell to clients that already see $12/m (aud) as a cost sink, no matter what the server+service will save them in seat time. There are of course local hosts but they're either oversold cpanel hosts or comparatively expensive (3-10x the price for the same hardware). I guess it just feeds from my existential dread of being a small fish where if any one of these upstream providers decide "oh, no we flagged that account because of [black box reason], sorry!", you can be out a lively hood with no real recourse. Guess it just kinda sucks to be at what feels like the end of the long tail of infrastructure.

prng2021 4y ago
Just curious, what caused the poor experience with Vultr?
- texasbigdata 4y ago
  Not OP but just a guess, vultr was founded 2014 and linode is 2003. Obviously not a proxy for quality, but it’s one data point as to potentially why.
  - doctor_eval 4y ago
    Was going to ask the same. I’ve used vultr for years and found them rock solid, and have had good support when needed. They also just opened a DC in Melbourne.
flakeoil 4y ago
These guys are in Australia amongst other locations: https://www.ovhcloud.com/ https://www.ovhcloud.com/