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"[The NYT] decided tech was a major power center that needed scrutiny and needed to be taken down a peg, and this style of coverage became very widespread and p

"[The NYT] decided tech was a major power center that needed scrutiny and needed to be taken down a peg, and this style of coverage became very widespread and prominent in the industry ... the press should try to normalize coverage of the tech industry as just another business sector." The irony here is that a prominent member of the 'tech industry' (with enthusiastic support from other prominent tech industry luminaries) just bought one of the most important social media networks with the specific intention of making substantial changes to the way information is disseminated in the United States. That may turn out for the best, or it may not -- it doesn't matter. What does matter: the NYT's decision to focus skeptical reporting on tech as an "important power center" sure seems to have been vindicated.

dralley 4y ago
Meanwhile Bezos owns the Washington Post, and while he doesn't seem to have messed with it too much, Amazon has absolutely been messing with the neutrality of IMDB where it comes into conflict with Amazon's media IPs.
- doomlaser 4y ago
  https://letterboxd.com https://letterboxd.com is the best source for scoping out a movie now. The ratings histogram for each film is incredibly informative about quality. It also happens to be my favorite social network right now since it's so focused.
  - ecshafer 4y ago
    I like letterboxd a lot as well. Its a bit like patreon for me where you can follow some person that you really like and read their stuff and its cool. You get a lot of nice in depth reviews from people, and varied tastes, and unlike other movie sites it doesn't feel like big blockbusters with big budgets float to the top. I also like hackernews. I think the magic is in very focused social media.
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bpodgursky 4y ago
Tesla and SpaceX are not traditional members of the "tech" industry imo.
- finexplained 4y ago
  Elon Musk is a prominent member of the tech industry and of Silicon Valley history, dating back to the days of Zip2 and Paypal. It's just a fact.
acdha 4y ago
It’s also weird coming after decades of tech reshaping media: local news is a fraction of what it once was, leaving important stories uncovered; things like Facebook’s infamous pivot to video, instant news pages, Google AMP, etc. all pulled control to tech companies and lost money for media companies; and the very way people write headlines and stories changed based on social media and search company decisions. Musk isn’t just some weird outlier, and it’s bizarre to me that someone who works in journalism is basically saying “we focus too much on the times where Lucy pulled the football away.”
- bryan_w 4y ago
  Nothing stopping the media companies from making their own football. The owner of the NYT is a billionaire, he couldn't hire a few CS grads and make a site people wanted to go to? It's like they saw the whole Napster situation and said, "Thank goodness that's happening to audio media; we'll be fine because we're visual media! Let's just keep running the printing press."
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > he couldn't hire a few CS grads and make a site people wanted to go to? The Times has a strong digital presence [1]. It's also a uniquely-successful media property. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-times-nyt-q3-earnings-report-2022-11667395977 https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-times-nyt-q3-earnings-...
RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago
> What does matter: the NYT's decision to focus skeptical reporting on tech as an "important power center" sure seems to have been vindicated. So in effect the NYT which have been an "important power center" of American media since the 1800's, decides that another entity that comes along with too much power needs to be "taken down a peg". Its a power play to discredit a new entrant into a business sector that threatens the inheritors of the incumbents. So call it vindication, but its only in the same vein of a third generation monarch trying to quell threats to his inheritance. But to that perspective I agree, its definitely the correct power move to keep threats from taking away the power one inherited.
- testHNac 4y ago
  What did this person say that was wrong ? These type of comments are sadly immediately downvoted by the HN hivemind. No credible response is given. Sad.
testHNac 4y ago
Note - Not an American. Not White. If you are Downvoting please respond. I would like to know if it's due to your political leanings or because of something I can improve upon and learn. This would be good reporting by NYT if this was not conflict of interest. Strong Social Media companies give voice to the people, that runs counter to the power of the media. We have seen many stories run in the last 5 years of Global importance, that NYT, WaPo, CNN etc decided were not TRUE. And Social Media reacted to the words of these Guardians of Truth. Banning many accounts and even hurting many careers. Now we see those stories by Mainstream media were either misguided or plain lies with an agenda. Do we want even News Media to have this kind of power ? Who is watching them ?

dralley 4y ago

Meanwhile Bezos owns the Washington Post, and while he doesn't seem to have messed with it too much, Amazon has absolutely been messing with the neutrality of IMDB where it comes into conflict with Amazon's media IPs.

doomlaser 4y ago
https://letterboxd.com https://letterboxd.com is the best source for scoping out a movie now. The ratings histogram for each film is incredibly informative about quality. It also happens to be my favorite social network right now since it's so focused.
- ecshafer 4y ago
  I like letterboxd a lot as well. Its a bit like patreon for me where you can follow some person that you really like and read their stuff and its cool. You get a lot of nice in depth reviews from people, and varied tastes, and unlike other movie sites it doesn't feel like big blockbusters with big budgets float to the top. I also like hackernews. I think the magic is in very focused social media.
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bpodgursky 4y ago

Tesla and SpaceX are not traditional members of the "tech" industry imo.

finexplained 4y ago
Elon Musk is a prominent member of the tech industry and of Silicon Valley history, dating back to the days of Zip2 and Paypal. It's just a fact.

acdha 4y ago

It’s also weird coming after decades of tech reshaping media: local news is a fraction of what it once was, leaving important stories uncovered; things like Facebook’s infamous pivot to video, instant news pages, Google AMP, etc. all pulled control to tech companies and lost money for media companies; and the very way people write headlines and stories changed based on social media and search company decisions. Musk isn’t just some weird outlier, and it’s bizarre to me that someone who works in journalism is basically saying “we focus too much on the times where Lucy pulled the football away.”

bryan_w 4y ago
Nothing stopping the media companies from making their own football. The owner of the NYT is a billionaire, he couldn't hire a few CS grads and make a site people wanted to go to? It's like they saw the whole Napster situation and said, "Thank goodness that's happening to audio media; we'll be fine because we're visual media! Let's just keep running the printing press."
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > he couldn't hire a few CS grads and make a site people wanted to go to? The Times has a strong digital presence [1]. It's also a uniquely-successful media property. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-times-nyt-q3-earnings-report-2022-11667395977 https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-times-nyt-q3-earnings-...

RedBeetDeadpool 4y ago

> What does matter: the NYT's decision to focus skeptical reporting on tech as an "important power center" sure seems to have been vindicated. So in effect the NYT which have been an "important power center" of American media since the 1800's, decides that another entity that comes along with too much power needs to be "taken down a peg". Its a power play to discredit a new entrant into a business sector that threatens the inheritors of the incumbents. So call it vindication, but its only in the same vein of a third generation monarch trying to quell threats to his inheritance. But to that perspective I agree, its definitely the correct power move to keep threats from taking away the power one inherited.

testHNac 4y ago
What did this person say that was wrong ? These type of comments are sadly immediately downvoted by the HN hivemind. No credible response is given. Sad.

testHNac 4y ago

Note - Not an American. Not White. If you are Downvoting please respond. I would like to know if it's due to your political leanings or because of something I can improve upon and learn. This would be good reporting by NYT if this was not conflict of interest. Strong Social Media companies give voice to the people, that runs counter to the power of the media. We have seen many stories run in the last 5 years of Global importance, that NYT, WaPo, CNN etc decided were not TRUE. And Social Media reacted to the words of these Guardians of Truth. Banning many accounts and even hurting many careers. Now we see those stories by Mainstream media were either misguided or plain lies with an agenda. Do we want even News Media to have this kind of power ? Who is watching them ?