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Musicians, writers and scholars on Ornette Coleman
- pohl 4y agoThe headline is "5 Minutes That Will Make You Love Ornette Coleman".
- SevenNation 4y agoWhy does HN monkey with titles like this?
- dang 4y agoThe alternative is for HN to be dominated by clickbait, which would make for a completely different site. The title editing system (software and mods) works well except when it doesn't. The cases where it works well are priced in—they aren't noticeable and everyone takes them for granted. The cases where it doesn't work do get noticed, and often amplified. It's understandable! but skewed. If you weight the pros of a system at 0% and the cons at 100%, it ends up looking inexplicably terrible. Incidentally, the fix for the OP is not to add the magic number back—it's to rewrite the title so it's not clickbait to begin with. That's in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait" (I've done that now.)
- mortenjorck 4y agoHN's headline style auto-formatter is getting weirder. Are all leading numbers removed now? Would "3,700 expected to be laid off from Twitter" become "expected to be laid off from Twitter"? I appreciate the intent of this algorithm, but I'm not convinced it's still fulfilling its original purpose.
- tpmoney 4y agoI wonder if it’s just programmed to look for clickbait listicle numbers like 5 secrets your doctor doesn’t want you to know 10 ways to grow muscle without exercising And that sort of thing. Maybe it’s even just looking for any leading number under 15 or something like that. I’d expect out of any random assortment of modern day headlines, most that start with a low number are clickbait nonsense, where something that starts with a number in the hundreds or thousands is likely to be a real article
- Jtsummers 4y agoThis isn't "getting weirder", this has been the case for close to a decade if not more. HN has long removed the numbers. The good news is that the submitter has time (though in this case I think it's expired) to edit headlines for submissions, I think it's the same time window as comment editing, 1.5-2 hours. When you submit a headline and it's altered by HN in a meaningful way, you can change it back to the original.
- cf100clunk 4y agoOne of the rare jazz devotees of the Grafton: https://wikiless.org/wiki/Grafton_saxophone?lang=en https://wikiless.org/wiki/Grafton_saxophone?lang=en
- mtts 4y agoRare how? Charlie Parker famously used it on Jazz at Massey Hall
- cf100clunk 4y agoThat's two major jazz saxophonists. That's rare, in my book.
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- JasonFruit 4y agoDoesn't sound like he was that devoted to it: he bought it because it was cheap, and later moved to a white-lacquered Selmer that looked similar but played better.
- cf100clunk 4y agoYeah, too late for me to retract the word "devotee" when "player" would have sufficed.
- zabzonk 4y agofamously, kingsley amis and philip larkin couldn't stand him - they were not mad about coltrane or davis either) - in the case of coleman, i tend to agree.
- freejazz 4y agoSounds more like they just didn't like Jazz!
- zabzonk 4y agolarkin was a famous and influential writer on the subject
- freejazz 4y agoAnd Miles, Coltrane, and Coleman are the seeds of everything that happened in Jazz since post-bop
- seanhunter 4y agoPhillip Larkin was a "trad jazz" devotee and his writing about music has not aged well at all. It probably would have completely faded into obscurity were it not for the fact that his poetry is so well-known.
- whiddershins 4y agoA lot of people don’t realize that opinions about Ornette Coleman are often tied to how a person reacts to irregular tuning. Some people find deliberately ‘off pitch’ notes stimulating, some people find them unlistenable. Like fingernails on the chalkboard.
- noman-land 4y agoThis is quite true but I like to think that the stimulating feeling can be learned.
- ilikeitdark 4y agoOne of my all time favorites and an inspiration, as I'm a musician too. Push boundaries and break stuff.
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- zeruch 4y agoI always found his harmolodic concepts interesting, if delivered unevenly. I feel like some of his proteges did a better job implementing the ideas that Ornette did sometimes (e.g. Ronald Shannon Jackson's Decoding Society, or some of Jamaaladeen Tacumas stuff) but in general Ornette was brilliant and interesting. True story digression: went to an Ornette concert with my Missus at the time, and a pair of friends. One of them disappears right before the show from a cigarette break. After the show we find her and ask where she went...she had run into Tom Waits out front, who bummed a light from her and as a reward asked if she wanted to sit with his family in their box seats. Who would say no to that offer?
- noman-land 4y agoLove his work. The Shape Of Jazz To Come is so good. Free Jazz is a crazy album. Especially when listened to with headphones. Each stereo channel has a distinct quintet playing. Challenging listen for sure.
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- ugh123 4y agoBeen listening to this all day. This style of jazz may be my new go-to listening music.
- sfpotter 4y agoVirgin Beauty is my favorite Ornette Coleman & Prime Time album. There is some really crazy, goofy stuff going on, and it's always fun to hear Jerry Garcia noodling around aimlessly in the background.