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Apple is the worst thing that could happen to VR. Facebook may be 'toxic' but the Meta is cheap, amazing, supports Air Link for PC, even has cross-play (buy a

by rjh29 4y ago

Apple is the worst thing that could happen to VR. Facebook may be 'toxic' but the Meta is cheap, amazing, supports Air Link for PC, even has cross-play (buy a Quest game, play it on PC at better graphics). Privacy options, they -removed- Facebook login, you can sideload apps. Tacit support for modding games like Beat Saber. Apple would turn their headset into a walled garden with no ability to run custom apps and definitely no Air Link. Try to mod a game and get banned.

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
> they -removed- Facebook login They called it something else, they make you use different credentials, but it’s all Facebook on the backend.
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  I believe its now a Meta Account.
- georgeecollins 4y ago
  I am no expert but it does seem to be an improvement because you don't have to install the FB app on your phone or login to FB on your browser. The app in particular is such a roach motel I am very glad to get away from it.
- MikusR 4y ago
  Source?
- justapassenger 4y ago
  Whose backend should it be using? Apple’s?
jayd16 4y ago
An Apple headset and marketing dollars would galvanize the industry. Meta will still release their headsets and probably be better off for it because Apple will have primed consumers to what the experience is. Apple doesn't usually pay for exclusives so apps will make it to other platforms.
thestevesie 4y ago
Removed the Facebook login? Lol, now it prompts me every-time I use it to create a Horizon's account. I personally couldn't care less about the facebook login, and really never saw what the big deal was. I created a facebook account which I only use for the quest 2. You're going to need an account, what does it matter which platform it is from? I'm sick of people criticizing Apple's walled garden. It's the primary feature of Apple products. It's what makes them what they are. If you don't like it, just buy something else. No one is forcing you to buy Apple if you don't like the walled garden. Many people like it and I'm amazed that there are so many people that don't understand that.
- rjh29 4y ago
  If you like the walled garden fine, I just don't want it influencing VR. For example Apple's decision to take a 30% cut of ebooks, prompting Kindle to remove the ability to buy books in their app, led to Google doing the same thing. Apple will lock down the hardware and increase prices, and that doesn't benefit consumers if other companies follow suit.
chaostheory 4y ago
It’s ironic, but I like and support meta so I agree with your points. Like meta, I also agree that Apple will be a double edged sword for XR. On the positive side, Apple will help the masses understand the potential of XR beyond gaming, and the M chips blow everything away. On the negative side, only we’ll be able to afford a $3000 XR Apple headset which will save meta’s XR related effort since they’re the affordable option. They’re scared of if, but whether or not Meta realizes it, meta needs that Apple headset to release
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lapser 4y ago
> Privacy options Are we talking about the same Meta company that owns Facebook? > they -removed- Facebook login Which they added in the first place, much to the dismay of literally everyone.
- camdat 4y ago
  Do you expect an equivalent Apple product to not require an iCloud login?
- cheriot 4y ago
  Apple, on the other hand, loves to talk about privacy, but if anyone in the conversation backs up messages to iCloud then the whole thing is sitting on Apple's server unencrypted[1]. WhatsApp is better. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2020/01/21/apple-halted-icloud-encryption-plans-after-fbi-warningreport/?sh=1c05af93688d https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2020/01/21/appl...
lonelyasacloud 4y ago
>>Apple is the worst thing that could happen to VR Like they were for MP3 players, Smartphones, expensive headphones and Smartwatches?
- pandama 4y ago
  I can't deploy my own developed app to my own devices permanently without paying $100/year. Yes, I use Android.
  - dTal 4y ago
    I'm confused. Why not? Android lets you sideload.
    - rjh29 4y ago
      If you want to develop on iPhone you need to pay to become a developer, $100/year. You can't just run whatever code you like on it. Google is one-off $25 to publish on their store, but running your own code via sideload is free.
      - dTal 4y ago
        Yes, on iPhone. Parent said they used Android, hence my confusion.
        rjh29 4y ago
        Parent is saying "on iPhone I can't even install my own apps without paying $100, therefore I use (choose) Android".
- rjh29 4y ago
  They definitely innovated once. Nowadays they are mostly responsible for inflating high-end phone and headphone prices to ridiculous levels.

by rjh29 4y ago

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago

> they -removed- Facebook login They called it something else, they make you use different credentials, but it’s all Facebook on the backend.

nickthegreek 4y ago
I believe its now a Meta Account.
georgeecollins 4y ago
I am no expert but it does seem to be an improvement because you don't have to install the FB app on your phone or login to FB on your browser. The app in particular is such a roach motel I am very glad to get away from it.
MikusR 4y ago
Source?
justapassenger 4y ago
Whose backend should it be using? Apple’s?

jayd16 4y ago

An Apple headset and marketing dollars would galvanize the industry. Meta will still release their headsets and probably be better off for it because Apple will have primed consumers to what the experience is. Apple doesn't usually pay for exclusives so apps will make it to other platforms.

thestevesie 4y ago

Removed the Facebook login? Lol, now it prompts me every-time I use it to create a Horizon's account. I personally couldn't care less about the facebook login, and really never saw what the big deal was. I created a facebook account which I only use for the quest 2. You're going to need an account, what does it matter which platform it is from? I'm sick of people criticizing Apple's walled garden. It's the primary feature of Apple products. It's what makes them what they are. If you don't like it, just buy something else. No one is forcing you to buy Apple if you don't like the walled garden. Many people like it and I'm amazed that there are so many people that don't understand that.

rjh29 4y ago
If you like the walled garden fine, I just don't want it influencing VR. For example Apple's decision to take a 30% cut of ebooks, prompting Kindle to remove the ability to buy books in their app, led to Google doing the same thing. Apple will lock down the hardware and increase prices, and that doesn't benefit consumers if other companies follow suit.

chaostheory 4y ago

It’s ironic, but I like and support meta so I agree with your points. Like meta, I also agree that Apple will be a double edged sword for XR. On the positive side, Apple will help the masses understand the potential of XR beyond gaming, and the M chips blow everything away. On the negative side, only we’ll be able to afford a $3000 XR Apple headset which will save meta’s XR related effort since they’re the affordable option. They’re scared of if, but whether or not Meta realizes it, meta needs that Apple headset to release

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lapser 4y ago

> Privacy options Are we talking about the same Meta company that owns Facebook? > they -removed- Facebook login Which they added in the first place, much to the dismay of literally everyone.

camdat 4y ago
Do you expect an equivalent Apple product to not require an iCloud login?
cheriot 4y ago
Apple, on the other hand, loves to talk about privacy, but if anyone in the conversation backs up messages to iCloud then the whole thing is sitting on Apple's server unencrypted[1]. WhatsApp is better. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2020/01/21/apple-halted-icloud-encryption-plans-after-fbi-warningreport/?sh=1c05af93688d https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2020/01/21/appl...

lonelyasacloud 4y ago

>>Apple is the worst thing that could happen to VR Like they were for MP3 players, Smartphones, expensive headphones and Smartwatches?

pandama 4y ago
I can't deploy my own developed app to my own devices permanently without paying $100/year. Yes, I use Android.
- dTal 4y ago
  I'm confused. Why not? Android lets you sideload.
  - rjh29 4y ago
    If you want to develop on iPhone you need to pay to become a developer, $100/year. You can't just run whatever code you like on it. Google is one-off $25 to publish on their store, but running your own code via sideload is free.
    - dTal 4y ago
      Yes, on iPhone. Parent said they used Android, hence my confusion.
      - rjh29 4y ago
        Parent is saying "on iPhone I can't even install my own apps without paying $100, therefore I use (choose) Android".
rjh29 4y ago
They definitely innovated once. Nowadays they are mostly responsible for inflating high-end phone and headphone prices to ridiculous levels.